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Conflict in the Middle East

27 children have been murdered by the IOF every day for 650 days in Gaza (UNICEF)

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/07/2025 15:12

Facts:

  • At least 15,000 children have been killed since the war began in October 2023.
  • Many have died in airstrikes, building collapses, or stampedes at aid sites.
  • Thousands more have been injured, often with life-altering wounds, burns, or amputations.
  • Gaza is facing famine-like conditions.
  • Children are eating grass, leaves, or going days without food.
  • Severe malnutrition is widespread, especially in northern Gaza. Babies and toddlers are dying of hunger-related causes.
  • Nearly all children in Gaza are now considered to have signs of acute psychological trauma:
  • Nightmares
  • Bedwetting
  • Non-responsiveness (shutdown/dissociation)
  • Panic at loud sounds
  • Many have lost one or both parents, siblings, or entire families.
  • Most hospitals have been bombed or shut down.
  • Children can’t access basic care, vaccines, or treatment for chronic illnesses.
  • Wounded kids are operated on without anesthesia in some cases.
  • Over 1 million children have been displaced—many multiple times.
  • Families sleep in tents, rubble, or outdoors with no clean water or toilets.
  • Nearly all schools have been shut down, destroyed, or turned into shelters.
  • Many teachers and schoolchildren have been killed.
  • A whole generation risks growing up with no access to education or safety.
  • Children are drinking dirty water, leading to diarrheal diseases and infections.
  • Outbreaks of hepatitis, lice, and scabies are widespread.
  • Even in declared “safe zones” or aid areas, children have been shot, suffocated in stampedes, or killed by nearby strikes.
  • Some have died while queuing for water or food.

“There is no safe place left for children in Gaza. They are being killed, starved, maimed, and psychologically shattered. This is not a humanitarian crisis—this is a crisis of humanity.”
— Save the Children, July 2025

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Stripes56 · 23/07/2025 21:40

Anonimummy · 23/07/2025 21:10

So an evil sub human terrorist group and their supporters say.

I wonder if some would then class Israeli religious leaders as Hamas supporters?

It’s amazing how some cannot cope with idea that Israeli action has contributed substantially to what the WHO have said is a man made famine.

Church leaders in Jerusalem say they have returned from a trip to Gaza with "broken hearts", describing starving people and children not "batting an eyelid" at the sound of bombing.
"We have seen men holding out in the sun for hours in the hope of simple meal," the Latin Patriarch, Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, told journalists.
"This is humiliation that is hard to bear when you see it with you own eyes. It is morally unacceptable and unjustifiable."
The Greek Orthodox Patriarch, Theophilos III, said his Church would "stand in solidarity" with "the whole people of Gaza".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ljemmnyko

Four men, two in religious robes, walk along

Church leaders return with ‘broken hearts’ after rare Gaza visit

The Latin and Greek Orthodox patriarchs of Jerusalem describing starving people not "batting an eyelid" at the sound of bombing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ljemmnyko

businessflop25 · 23/07/2025 22:03

Anonimummy · 23/07/2025 21:10

So an evil sub human terrorist group and their supporters say.

No. So says the United Nations. Amnesty international, Médecins Sans Frontières and multiple other REPUTABLE Global and unbiased organisations.

Not terrorists. Not the Israeli government. Not the IDF

businessflop25 · 23/07/2025 22:12

@Anonimummyyou are presumably aware that Ben Gvir in the Israeli Government has previously been convicted of inciting racial hatred in Israel. He has also been convicted of supporting a terrorist group within Israel.
Other members of the government have also formerly been supportive of terrorist organisations. These are FACTS.
So why do you believe one set of terrorists over another? And why would you possibly believe either the Israeli government or Hamas over huge humanitarian organisations, the UN, WHO?

Frummie · 23/07/2025 22:34

Stripes56 · 22/07/2025 21:08

Thanks
Will have a look at that thread
I can imagine it’s very difficult to be Jewish, with a rise in antisemitism, to also see those marches happening - I can see that it doesn’t help.

I don’t think we’re should stop the marches though, nor police speech that’s uncomfortable as long as it doesn’t condone violence. I would say river to sea is interpreted differently.

Death to the IDF phrase is very questionable - but I await outcome of the CPS decision whether to prosecute- as they will consider whether it was actually a call to violence or hate speech.

Apparently it's only a call to violence if you add the phrase 'for all I care'.

Anonimummy · 24/07/2025 01:23

businessflop25 · 23/07/2025 22:03

No. So says the United Nations. Amnesty international, Médecins Sans Frontières and multiple other REPUTABLE Global and unbiased organisations.

Not terrorists. Not the Israeli government. Not the IDF

https://x.com/TreyYingst/status/1948124844622856255

Well this is interesting from Trey Yingst. Certainly not known for being a supporter of Israel.

I don’t know how you can say that any of those orgs are REPUTABLE if this is even half true.

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1948087064777339278

https://x.com/HilzFuld/status/1948097196055810061

Utterly disgusting.

https://x.com/TreyYingst/status/1948124844622856255

businessflop25 · 24/07/2025 02:45

Anonimummy · 24/07/2025 01:23

https://x.com/TreyYingst/status/1948124844622856255

Well this is interesting from Trey Yingst. Certainly not known for being a supporter of Israel.

I don’t know how you can say that any of those orgs are REPUTABLE if this is even half true.

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1948087064777339278

https://x.com/HilzFuld/status/1948097196055810061

Utterly disgusting.

@Anonimummyyour a lost cause if you think that X is a reliable source of information.
None of those narrators are remotely reliable or trustworthy.

Anonimummy · 24/07/2025 03:11

businessflop25 · 24/07/2025 02:45

@Anonimummyyour a lost cause if you think that X is a reliable source of information.
None of those narrators are remotely reliable or trustworthy.

Says who?

You who presumably thinks all the Hamas propaganda coming out of Gaza is reliable and trustworthy?

Is the UN refuting this btw?

Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 07:38

This is UN aid. The UN does not want Palestinians in Gaza to walk to the GHF centres through military zones- we can clearly see and agree that this is undignified and extremely dangerous as people are being killed daily this way.

Israel has refused permits for aid workers to come and take the aid to warehouses and local distribution sites.

What does Israel think will happen after a ceasefire? Israel will have to withdraw from most of Gaza. Will they still block aid workers going into Gaza? Hopefully not. Are they therefore using aid as leverage? That would be pretty poor form!

Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 07:41

I also don’t understand the concern about Hamas getting aid. Just flood the area with aid - it would reduce chance of it being used on the black market and what if Hamas does get hold of some of it and sell it? It not like they can import weapons into Gaza.

Twiglets1 · 24/07/2025 07:55

Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 07:41

I also don’t understand the concern about Hamas getting aid. Just flood the area with aid - it would reduce chance of it being used on the black market and what if Hamas does get hold of some of it and sell it? It not like they can import weapons into Gaza.

The concern with Hamas getting aid is based on the fact it used to be an income stream for them - stealing the aid and then selling it on to Gazans at inflated prices when it should have been free for them.

If Hamas have less money they will struggle to do things like pay their fighters so that will weaken them. This is happening at the moment according to various sources.

An article from the Telegraph for example:

Hamas has not paid its fighters for three months due to Israeli restrictions on humanitarian aid preventing the group seizing and selling supplies, according to reports.
Members of the al-Qassam brigades, Hamas’ military wing, have not received any pay since around February, a source from within the terror group told the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat.
Families of terrorists killed or captured during fighting with Israel are also reported to have not received their usual remuneration.
Hamas’s civil workers were said to have received a reduced salary equivalent of $250 four months ago, which “sparked resentment among employees”. It is not clear if they have been paid since.

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/24/hamas-fighters-not-paid-three-months-israeli-aid-blockade/

Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 09:03

@Twiglets1
what do you suppose Hamas soldiers are going to be able to buy in Gaza at present to threaten Israel with?

Also - if there is sufficient aid- then the value of it in black market will be minimal.

I don’t think Hamas soldiers not being paid is going to particularly change their views towards Israel?

Again- given the longer term plans for Gaza - is Israel going to prevent aid agencies going in? If not- why not let them in now?

Twiglets1 · 24/07/2025 09:13

Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 09:03

@Twiglets1
what do you suppose Hamas soldiers are going to be able to buy in Gaza at present to threaten Israel with?

Also - if there is sufficient aid- then the value of it in black market will be minimal.

I don’t think Hamas soldiers not being paid is going to particularly change their views towards Israel?

Again- given the longer term plans for Gaza - is Israel going to prevent aid agencies going in? If not- why not let them in now?

It's not what Hamas can buy that's the issue, the issue is stopping them from having the money to pay their fighters.

Not being paid won't change Hamas fighters attitude to Israel I agree, but it might change their willingness to continue fighting for Hamas (or joining Hamas) if they aren't being paid to fight.

This is the way that I can understand the reason why Israel tried to change the aid distribution model. But I agree with you and have said from the start that overall, I never agreed with Israel blocking humanitarian aid.

And the GHF hasn't worked so I definitely agree that they should flood the area with aid now and give up the idea of the GHF. I felt like it could have worked - in theory and if enough centres had been built - but in practice it hasn't worked. And yes, the Israel government have to take responsibility for that.

businessflop25 · 24/07/2025 10:33

Anonimummy · 24/07/2025 03:11

Says who?

You who presumably thinks all the Hamas propaganda coming out of Gaza is reliable and trustworthy?

Is the UN refuting this btw?

@AnonimummyI very clearly stated that I don’t trust anything from terrorists! That includes both Hamas and the Israeli government.
I do trust impartial humanitarian organisations like the WHO, Amnesty International, UN, and Médecins Sans Frontières.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 24/07/2025 10:43

@Twiglets1 something we agree on.

And the GHF hasn't worked so I definitely agree that they should flood the area with aid now and give up the idea of the GHF.

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Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 11:11

Twiglets1 · 24/07/2025 09:13

It's not what Hamas can buy that's the issue, the issue is stopping them from having the money to pay their fighters.

Not being paid won't change Hamas fighters attitude to Israel I agree, but it might change their willingness to continue fighting for Hamas (or joining Hamas) if they aren't being paid to fight.

This is the way that I can understand the reason why Israel tried to change the aid distribution model. But I agree with you and have said from the start that overall, I never agreed with Israel blocking humanitarian aid.

And the GHF hasn't worked so I definitely agree that they should flood the area with aid now and give up the idea of the GHF. I felt like it could have worked - in theory and if enough centres had been built - but in practice it hasn't worked. And yes, the Israel government have to take responsibility for that.

Thanks @Twiglets1
There appears to be increasing urgency now.

I wonder how long Netanyahu’s government is going to hold out on this - despite the international pressure.

Interesting to consider what/ who is influencing him. This is Smotrich talking about ceasefire:

“The second I spot weakness in the prime minister and if I come to think, heaven forbid, that this is about to end with us surrendering instead of with Hamas’s absolute surrender, I won’t remain (in the government) for even a single day,” finance minister Bezalel Smotrich told Army Radio.

BelleHathor · 24/07/2025 16:35

Netanyahu and his government ably aided by America and others have pushed Gaza to the brink of no return.

Post from the Jeremy Konyndyk Director of Refugees International a Washington DC based charity that has tackled humanitarian disasters:

"As a longtime humanitarian who has battled famines and hunger crises, I fear that starvation in Gaza has now passed the tipping point and we are going to see mass-scale starvation mortality.

A thread on famine momentum, famine response, and what it means for Gaza today.

The latest reporting shows telltale signs of rapidly accelerating mortality - the kind of classic famine scenario we know from places like Sudan or Somalia.

Barring a massive reversal of Israeli policy, there is a little standing in the way of total collapse.

Throughout last year Gaza ebbed and flowed at the brink of famine, but never passed the tipping point.

Israeli aid obstruction kept Palestinians perpetually underfed but always relented just enough to avoid mass hunger mortality, as we wrote last Sept:
^refugeesinternational.org/reports-briefs…^
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Untangling the Reality of Famine in Gaza - Refugees International
Without enduring aid access, civilian protection, and humanitarian security, there remains a grave risk of famine conditions spiraling once again in Gaza.
^www.refugeesinternational.org/reports-briefs/untangling-the-reality-of-famine-in-gaza/^
That changed in March when the cease-fire collapsed and Israel imposed a blockade that de facto continues to the present day.

The GHF and the other trickles of aid that Israel is permitting are not a meaningful "lifting" of that blockade, and are not changing the trajectory.
The result: starvation deaths that had previously been one-off cases are now emerging in growing clusters.

43 starvation deaths (at least) in the last three days, compared to 68 recorded over the course of the war.

Both figures are likely undercounts, but the trend here is key.
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Famines gain momentum if they are not controlled early.

The time to prevent starvation deaths is weeks prior, when people reach a state of severe malnutrition.

The time to prevent severe malnutrition is months earlier, when long-term food deficits set in.
By the time people start dying in large daily numbers, both of those windows have been missed.

This famine has now gathered momentum, accrued over months of worsening deprivation and the collapse of the relief effort due to Israel's blockade.
Once a famine gathers momentum, the effort required to contain it increases exponentially.

It would now take an overwhelmingly large aid operation to reverse the coming wave of mortality, and it would take months.

Gaza is entering its darkest chapter yet.
Normally the reports and images now emerging would trigger a massive int'l response.

So – what needs to happen?

By this point, food alone is not enough. For people weakened by prolonged starvation, famine can kill in multiple ways - and response strategy must cover them all.
When I led these operations for the US govt, they would cover:
- Food aid (obviously)
- Malnutrition treatment
- Health care (disease can kill malnourished people before starvation does)
- Clean water (for consumption & food prep)
- Sanitation (to prevent spreading disease)
Famine response has made great strides over the years and can be miraculously effective when given the space to work.

The innovation and evolution in response tactics has made famines much rarer in recent decades.

But nothing like this is remotely possible right now.
Humanitarians can't tackle the famine until the political and security obstacles are removed.

Israel's aid restrictions and ongoing incessant violence towards Palestinian civilians make a proper famine response effectively impossible.
Instead of allowing and facilitating a genuine famine response, Israel is persisting with this GHF farce and using it as a pretext to block legit aid groups.

It is fundamentally unserious and cynical - and as the reports out Gaza make clear, it is failing on the merits.
Every world leader needs to ask themselves if they are ready to be complicit in a famine on their watch.

If they are not, they must act decisively now, using every possible political and diplomatic tool, to pressure Israel to lift this unlawful and murderous blockade.

/end"

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Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 20:56

@BelleHathor
That sounds appalling.
First we see the killing of thousands upon thousands of people played out in real time, the destruction of a population’s infrastructure, and now their starvation.

BelleHathor · 25/07/2025 00:06

Stripes56 · 24/07/2025 20:56

@BelleHathor
That sounds appalling.
First we see the killing of thousands upon thousands of people played out in real time, the destruction of a population’s infrastructure, and now their starvation.

It is absolutely appalling and was absolutely preventable. Journalists in the region were discussing this "plan" over 6 months ago (they also discussed the camp plans as they have sources in Israel).

To be honest I didn't believe them and was hopeful when the ceasefire happened in January. I never believed that any government would so openly carry out such a dastardly plan and the world would sit by and watch.

Stripes56 · 25/07/2025 06:44

Frankly with the words that are coming out of some Israeli ministers’ mouths, I am not surprised. They have destroyed all of Gaza and are trying to concentrate Palestinians into a camp under the guise of humanitarian facility. There are right wing ministers speaking of Jewish settlements in Gaza whilst Palestinians starve,

I do think Israel will pay a price for this, unfortunately for it’s citizens. There will be a moral price, but also - I don’t think this will make safer regionally at a time they are ostracised globally.

Biden was substantially impacted by the horror of the holocaust and spoke of his support for Israel secondary to this (as well as the apathy that let it happen). He was part of a generation of politicians were the horror of the holocaust impacted in their policies towards Israel.

However, we now have generations of people who have witnessed this happen in Gaza. (The reference to the Holocaust and what is happening in Gaza is because both affect views about Israel.) It will be interesting to see how this influences policies towards Israel going forward.

« The Young Democrats of America, the youth wing of the Democratic Party, has passed an amendment to its foreign policy plank opposing the “Israeli government’s ongoing genocide in Gaza.”
The amendment, which passed narrowly at the organization’s convention in Philadelphia last week, also expresses opposition to the Israeli government’s “occupation of the West Bank, and its denial of civil and political rights on an equal basis in the territories it militarily occupies,” according to an updated foreign policy plank reviewed by Jewish Insider. »

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-861920

Young Democrats of America passes anti-Israel amendment | The Jerusalem Post

The changes to the organization’s foreign policy highlight a sharp decline in how Israel is viewed within the Democratic Party as its Gaza war continues after over 21 months.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-861920

Stripes56 · 25/07/2025 06:47

Perhaps Israeli ministers think that if they rush towards ethnic cleansing of Gaza and WB, it will a fait accompli and the world will just live with it?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/07/2025 08:16

Stripes56 · 25/07/2025 06:47

Perhaps Israeli ministers think that if they rush towards ethnic cleansing of Gaza and WB, it will a fait accompli and the world will just live with it?

Chilling prospect

Read this in NY Times:

Amid rising starvation in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli government minister said on Thursday that Israel had no duty to alleviate hunger in the territory and was seeking to expel its population.
Amichay Eliyahu, a far-right lawmaker who leads Israel’s Heritage Ministry, said in a radio interview that “there is no nation that feeds its enemies,” adding that “the British didn’t feed the Nazis, nor did the Americans feed the Japanese, nor do the Russians feed the Ukrainians now.” He concluded that the government was “rushing toward Gaza being wiped out,” while also “driving out the while also “driving out the population that educated its people on the ideas of ‘Mein Kampf,’”
The office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declined to comment on whether Mr. Eliyahu’s remarks had represented the government’s official position. Hours later, the Israeli Embassy in Washington said in a statement that Mr. Eliyahu’s comments did “not reflect the policy of Prime Minister Netanyahu and his government,” which, it said, had provided aid to Gazan civilians “with determination and commitment.”

Honesty they are a disgrace with Ministers citing this kind of offensive genocidal statements and language. Heard many similar comments from their supporters here though

smallglassbottle · 25/07/2025 08:38

What they're doing was always part of the plan. A much desired answer to the Gazan problem.

Due to them possessing nuclear weapons, they can what they want, emboldened by this ongoing terrible genocide. Next stop, the west bank, then who knows what else.

BelleHathor · 25/07/2025 08:40

Stripes56 · 25/07/2025 06:47

Perhaps Israeli ministers think that if they rush towards ethnic cleansing of Gaza and WB, it will a fait accompli and the world will just live with it?

They're rushing towards it, precisely because the clever ones know the world won't live with it, they have access to the algorithms and know what people are searching for and which way things are trending.

They've lost the Western youth on both the left and the right.

On the right look at the "influencer" Nick Fuentes and his Groypers, he openly glorifies National Socialism and gets 1 million plus engagements on all his posts.

On the left a lot of the students who have been unfairly labelled as "Hamas" supporters are tomorrows leaders, do you think they're going to advocate for Israel?

PaxAeterna · 25/07/2025 08:50

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/07/2025 08:16

Chilling prospect

Read this in NY Times:

Amid rising starvation in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli government minister said on Thursday that Israel had no duty to alleviate hunger in the territory and was seeking to expel its population.
Amichay Eliyahu, a far-right lawmaker who leads Israel’s Heritage Ministry, said in a radio interview that “there is no nation that feeds its enemies,” adding that “the British didn’t feed the Nazis, nor did the Americans feed the Japanese, nor do the Russians feed the Ukrainians now.” He concluded that the government was “rushing toward Gaza being wiped out,” while also “driving out the while also “driving out the population that educated its people on the ideas of ‘Mein Kampf,’”
The office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declined to comment on whether Mr. Eliyahu’s remarks had represented the government’s official position. Hours later, the Israeli Embassy in Washington said in a statement that Mr. Eliyahu’s comments did “not reflect the policy of Prime Minister Netanyahu and his government,” which, it said, had provided aid to Gazan civilians “with determination and commitment.”

Honesty they are a disgrace with Ministers citing this kind of offensive genocidal statements and language. Heard many similar comments from their supporters here though

It’s exactly what people are saying here. All this, did we feed the Germans stuff?

MissyB1 · 25/07/2025 08:50

smallglassbottle · 25/07/2025 08:38

What they're doing was always part of the plan. A much desired answer to the Gazan problem.

Due to them possessing nuclear weapons, they can what they want, emboldened by this ongoing terrible genocide. Next stop, the west bank, then who knows what else.

Sadly I have to agree with this 👆

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