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Conflict in the Middle East

27 children have been murdered by the IOF every day for 650 days in Gaza (UNICEF)

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/07/2025 15:12

Facts:

  • At least 15,000 children have been killed since the war began in October 2023.
  • Many have died in airstrikes, building collapses, or stampedes at aid sites.
  • Thousands more have been injured, often with life-altering wounds, burns, or amputations.
  • Gaza is facing famine-like conditions.
  • Children are eating grass, leaves, or going days without food.
  • Severe malnutrition is widespread, especially in northern Gaza. Babies and toddlers are dying of hunger-related causes.
  • Nearly all children in Gaza are now considered to have signs of acute psychological trauma:
  • Nightmares
  • Bedwetting
  • Non-responsiveness (shutdown/dissociation)
  • Panic at loud sounds
  • Many have lost one or both parents, siblings, or entire families.
  • Most hospitals have been bombed or shut down.
  • Children can’t access basic care, vaccines, or treatment for chronic illnesses.
  • Wounded kids are operated on without anesthesia in some cases.
  • Over 1 million children have been displaced—many multiple times.
  • Families sleep in tents, rubble, or outdoors with no clean water or toilets.
  • Nearly all schools have been shut down, destroyed, or turned into shelters.
  • Many teachers and schoolchildren have been killed.
  • A whole generation risks growing up with no access to education or safety.
  • Children are drinking dirty water, leading to diarrheal diseases and infections.
  • Outbreaks of hepatitis, lice, and scabies are widespread.
  • Even in declared “safe zones” or aid areas, children have been shot, suffocated in stampedes, or killed by nearby strikes.
  • Some have died while queuing for water or food.

“There is no safe place left for children in Gaza. They are being killed, starved, maimed, and psychologically shattered. This is not a humanitarian crisis—this is a crisis of humanity.”
— Save the Children, July 2025

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Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 15:55

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 15:39

So we should drop tiny amounts of aid in for the starving children to squabble over and keep calling the country purposefully starving children allies then?

Is that what I said? No.

It is limited though what difference the UK could make.

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 16:01

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 15:55

Is that what I said? No.

It is limited though what difference the UK could make.

That does seem to be what you are saying though? Do you think the government should at least try sanctions on Israel then?

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 16:13

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 16:01

That does seem to be what you are saying though? Do you think the government should at least try sanctions on Israel then?

It isn't what I said though.

Who mentioned children squabbling over tiny amounts of aid? Only you did, trying to bring emotional manipulation into everything which is a common technique I have noticed generally from pro Palestinian supporters.

All I said was that air dropping aid into Gaza is better than not dropping aid into Gaza (despite it's limitations and even taking into account possible accidents).

You seem to think we shouldn't be allies with Israel but sorry, we are allies whether you like that fact or not.

Would prefer not to debate with people putting words into my mouth so that's enough for now.

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 16:48

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 16:13

It isn't what I said though.

Who mentioned children squabbling over tiny amounts of aid? Only you did, trying to bring emotional manipulation into everything which is a common technique I have noticed generally from pro Palestinian supporters.

All I said was that air dropping aid into Gaza is better than not dropping aid into Gaza (despite it's limitations and even taking into account possible accidents).

You seem to think we shouldn't be allies with Israel but sorry, we are allies whether you like that fact or not.

Would prefer not to debate with people putting words into my mouth so that's enough for now.

Do you think the UK should sanction the government preventing adequate aid from reaching 2million people including children?

Are you saying 'that's enough for now' because you don't want to answer a simple question?

SharonEllis · 26/07/2025 17:00

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 16:48

Do you think the UK should sanction the government preventing adequate aid from reaching 2million people including children?

Are you saying 'that's enough for now' because you don't want to answer a simple question?

She explained why she didn't want to discuss further with you.

Anonimummy · 26/07/2025 17:11

This is a must watch for anyone who considers themselves pro-Palestinian.

https://x.com/Adi13/status/1948925391428522090

https://x.com/Adi13/status/1948925391428522090

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 17:35

SharonEllis · 26/07/2025 17:00

She explained why she didn't want to discuss further with you.

Yeah tbh when posting i knew that there would be a few paragraphs of faux moral outrage instead of a simple yes or no to the question asked. It's a pattern here.

I posted a second time just to highlight the fact that Twiglets wouldn't answer whether she thinks the British government should put children being purposefully starved ahead of the Israeli government. People can make up their minds as to what a refusal to answer that simple question means.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 17:41

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 17:35

Yeah tbh when posting i knew that there would be a few paragraphs of faux moral outrage instead of a simple yes or no to the question asked. It's a pattern here.

I posted a second time just to highlight the fact that Twiglets wouldn't answer whether she thinks the British government should put children being purposefully starved ahead of the Israeli government. People can make up their minds as to what a refusal to answer that simple question means.

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Ok you got me...now I feel I must reply.

If you can explain where I engaged in "a few paragraphs of faux moral outrage" - which I certainly can't see that I did - then I will attempt to answer your question.

I will only engage with you if I feel you are engaging with me in good faith and at the moment, I'm not seeing that.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 19:01

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 18:51

A good article explaining why the airdrops will not help combat starvation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4242pnjko

I agree with Jeremy Bowen that aid drops won't "do much" to end hunger in Gaza. Though I do feel they are better than nothing.

As he says, It is a crude process, that will not on its own do much to end hunger in Gaza. Only a ceasefire and an unrestricted, long term aid operation can do that.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that we all want a ceasefire. But to get a ceasefire we need Hamas as well as Israel to agree terms and so far, neither side seem willing to make enough concessions to make that happen. This is not all Israel's fault. After what Hamas did on 7/10 it is understandable that they want them to disarm and leave Gaza.

SharonEllis · 26/07/2025 19:10

After what Hamas did on 7/10 it is understandable that they want them to disarm and leave Gaza.

How anyone can honestly argue against this is beyond me. Alongside aid and security guarantees for Palestinians I can't see what other options there are

LipstickLessons · 26/07/2025 19:44

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 17:41

Ok you got me...now I feel I must reply.

If you can explain where I engaged in "a few paragraphs of faux moral outrage" - which I certainly can't see that I did - then I will attempt to answer your question.

I will only engage with you if I feel you are engaging with me in good faith and at the moment, I'm not seeing that.

It's a simple yes or no question. Answer it or keep on obfuscating it's up to you Twiglets.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 20:00

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 17:41

Ok you got me...now I feel I must reply.

If you can explain where I engaged in "a few paragraphs of faux moral outrage" - which I certainly can't see that I did - then I will attempt to answer your question.

I will only engage with you if I feel you are engaging with me in good faith and at the moment, I'm not seeing that.

@LipstickLessons see above

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 20:41

There doesn't seem to be much concrete evidence of Hamas stealing aid. Certainly not enough to abolish the UN method and replace it with one that kills hundreds of Palestinians and doesn't even feed the small percentage it has, effectively.

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 20:44

This is to the posters who insist Israel won't go back to the old system even though it was safer and much needed right now to prevent further deaths and malnutrition, because Hamas is stealing most of the aid. Israel has never really given evidence for this.

An internal U.S. government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group Hamas of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, challenging the main rationale that Israel and the U.S. give for backing a new armed private aid operation.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 20:47

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 15:55

Is that what I said? No.

It is limited though what difference the UK could make.

Quite a difference.

It’s very difficult to establish a figure because the extent of arms sales to the government of Israel by the UK is currently “classified”.

Thos, though, from Oxfam

“The UK is supplying millions of pounds worth of arms to Israel. This makes it complicit in the killing of civilians taking place every day across the occupied Palestinian territory”

Perhaps Oxfam is biased, too?

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 20:56

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 20:44

This is to the posters who insist Israel won't go back to the old system even though it was safer and much needed right now to prevent further deaths and malnutrition, because Hamas is stealing most of the aid. Israel has never really given evidence for this.

An internal U.S. government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group Hamas of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, challenging the main rationale that Israel and the U.S. give for backing a new armed private aid operation.

Do you think that Israel will go back to the old system before a ceasefire?

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 20:59

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 20:56

Do you think that Israel will go back to the old system before a ceasefire?

The old system should never have been replaced and the Israeli government had no justification to do so.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 21:03

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 20:59

The old system should never have been replaced and the Israeli government had no justification to do so.

Ok but do you think that Israel will go back to the old system before a ceasefire?

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 21:37

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 21:03

Ok but do you think that Israel will go back to the old system before a ceasefire?

What's your point?

PaxAeterna · 26/07/2025 21:37

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 21:03

Ok but do you think that Israel will go back to the old system before a ceasefire?

I think it depends on what international governments do now.

And we can all do something small to contribute towards it. There are pro Palestinian movements in most of the countries that Israel trades with and it’s up to each of us to put pressure on our governments to take action. Also pressure from within Israel is important. For Israelis who are still pro war, then a way to make them care is to show them they are being isolated internationally.

I have personally started to boycott Israeli goods now.

But yes. I do think that the power to achieve a ceasefire is in the hands of Israel’s friends. It always has been. It will be harder without the US on board but it is still possible.

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 21:44

Thelmaandloulou · 26/07/2025 21:37

What's your point?

I’m asking for your opinion.

PaxAeterna · 26/07/2025 21:46

Also Trump is fickle. I don’t think he gives two craps about Israel or even understands the conflict. So there is a slither of hope there. I think with the pictures coming out of Gaza now, we may start to see more republicans wondering why their dollars are funding this.

Unfortunately it had to come to children starving to death for things to start to shift, when this was all so predictable. And the sad fact remains that with the numbers of people who are in an advanced state of hunger now, even if unfettered aid arrived tomorrow, many will die. It’s utterly depressing.

Thelmaandloulou · 27/07/2025 09:15

Twiglets1 · 26/07/2025 21:44

I’m asking for your opinion.

I think they would if there was enough pressure/threat of sanctions/arms embargo.