Francesca Albanese

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'There are no red lines anymore' says UN Palestinian rights expert on US sanctions

Don’t you think it’s reasonable that Israel be held to higher standards than North Korea?

I answered earlier:

"And the politicians do politics. Countries like Britain have to appease voter base and I'm guessing a fair whack of Starmers voters are firmly in one camp"

But they all gave official answers which were very telling. Germany, Sweden, and the Netherlands similarly abstained, citing concerns over one-sided wording. Ambassador Barbara Woodward said the vote “does not provide sufficient clarity to effectively advance our shared aim of a peace premised on a negotiated two‑state solution”, or in plain English that tge resolution didnt include realistic parameters and pathways toward negotiations.

Summarised, people know perfectly well condemning israel doesn't solve the problem. There's an occupation for a large number if reasons, and Israel has well founded security concerns. Peace isn't a one sided operation.

But fun to just have weekly resolutions so they can all condemn israel. Doesn't solve anything or accurately represent what's going on though.

I see only excuses to dismiss concerns I am afraid.
Its antisemitism
It’s political
It’s to appease their voter base

Countries like Germany, Sweden and Netherlands could have voted against the motion, but they didn’t - suggesting that there are legitimate concerns present?

The question as to whether resolutions/ sanctions against Israel help move towards a 2ss is a different question altogether.

We were taking about whether Albanese and UN had valid concerns. I was pointing out that the concerns are widely shared.

I agree with you that UN resolutions/ sanctions don’t necessarily help move things forward.

It will be interesting to see what influence Trump has. The EU had a report raising concerns about Israel’s actions and now we see that they have negotiated with Israel to increase aid going into Gaza.

So glad to see Francesca Albanese being discussed I think she is an absolutely incredible woman, brave and fearless in pinpointing with clarity how Israel is breaching international law. I admire her so much

Me too, shes inspirational.

The fact some are vociferously against her shows she is doing her job if highlighting the plight of Palestinians well.

The report by her referred to on this thread about corporate responsibility in enabling alleged genocide U.S. is interesting. Some corporations are bigger than some states, and it will be interesting to see if they too can be prosecuted for being complicit in alleged genocide- if this is what the international court finds. I wonder if this the purpose of the report?

She is a disgrace to her apparent role which to be an INDEPENDENT human rights expert, when she is clearly a Hamas propagandist.

She is only being discussed because of that.

She tried to make excuses for one of the world’s terrorists attacks involving babies, children and OAPs being slaughtered, and taken hostage then slaughtered, gang rape and dismemberment including decapitation, by saying those kind of barbaric atrocities need to be put in ‘context’ WHILE THE ATTACK WAS BEING CARRIED OUT! She also tried to deny that any rape took place and had NEVER called out Hamas, who orchestrated this war and are to blame for what has happened in Gaza and all the deaths of children and civilians, for any accountability to my knowledge. Has she?

https://x.com/HonestReporting/status/1943780977991401655

You admire her? Well I’m thankful I don’t live in your head.

I have never heard her express support for Hamas. I would think the claim that she is a Hamas propagandist is slanderous in the extreme.
The actions of Hamas on October 7th were horrifying, the genocide prosecuted by Israel since is horrifying and of greater magnitude.
shouting that Albanese is a Hamas propagandist does not change the facts she reports, bombing civilians is a war crime, purposefully starving a population is a war crime, destroying civilian infrastructure is a war crime, cutting off water is a war crime, displacing a civilian population is a war crime.

No. She is an able defender of Palestinian human rights, and generally a very admirable person.

Yes, I also admire her greatly

There is a petition for her to be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, together with doctors within Gaza.

https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/stand_with_francesca_loc/

Good point, Would be good to see some sort of consequences for those who have been complicit if only to discourage similar in the future but hard to imagine now when Israel itself has been allowed to act with impunity,

The link I posted clearly sets out evidence of what I posted. You probably will dismiss Honest Reporting but they have just gathered it from elsewhere.

Is the US Secretary of State ‘slandering’ her too?

The United States has repeatedly condemned and objected to the biased and malicious activities of Albanese that have long made her unfit for service as a Special Rapporteur. Albanese has spewed unabashed antisemitism, expressed support for terrorism, and open contempt for the United States, Israel, and the West.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2025/07/sanctioning-lawfare-that-targets-u-s-and-israeli-persons

I don’t think the US took that action lightly and without evidence.

As if the US is a neutral player!

Says someone who ‘greatly admires’ anti semite and terrorist supporter Albanese…………

She is not an anti semite, justified criticism of Israel continually breaching international law does not equal anti semtism

so careful, how would you describe the ffigures included below ? The figures are from March before Israel started sniping people collecting aid: “
But a study in the Lancet estimates that Israeli troops killed more than 64,000 people in just the first nine months of their rampage, the time for which the study’s authors had data. In other words, the official count is probably dramatically understated.
Meanwhile, the UN reports that at least 14,500 children have been killed – also probably a dramatic undercount. The real mortality figure is probably unknowable, not least because so many families have been killed at once, leaving no one to account for some babies or toddlers ever having existed.
Beyond the mass death, international agencies suggest that at least 110,000 people in Gaza have been injured, including at least 25,000 children. And Unicef estimates that between 3,000 and 4,000 children in Gaza have had one or more limbs amputated. That small tract of earth is now home to more child amputees per inhabitant than anywhere else in the world.”

I am not an expert but perhaps this man is

www.npr.org/2025/07/17/nx-s1-5468953/historian-omer-bartov-on-why-he-believes-israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza

Some more people who might know

”On 5 December, Amnesty International concluded after an investigation that “Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip”. A few days later, the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) stated that after research and analysis, it concluded that “there is a legally sound argument that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza”.
A few days after that, Human Rights Watch (HRW) declared that “Israeli authorities are responsible for the crime against humanity of extermination and for acts of genocide”, and Médecins Sans Frontières reported that its medical “teams in the north of Gaza are seeing clear signs of ethnic cleansing”. Earlier in November, HRW also concluded that Israel’s actions in Gaza amounted to “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity”, and appeared to “also meet the definition of ethnic cleansing”.

It can do if you hold Israel to unequal/unrealistic standards and if you only criticise Israel and not others. If you exceptionalise Israel you probably are doing it motivated by antisemitism.

Not if that person’s work is focused on Palestine and Palestinians.
It would be bizarre if she were commenting on Dafur/Western Sahara/North Korea.

Exceptionalize is such a weasel term. It just seems like a justification for any actions. So let me ask you a question: are you aware big any action carried out by the IDF on behalf of the government in this campaign which troubles you, and which you think is “too far”, or is everything necessary/ acceptable.

No it wouldn't. To put this war and the conflict in general in various wider contexts would be entirely appropriate in the context of the UN.

Yes there are. Why wouldn't there be. Some of us don't see the world in black and white. Some of us don't eceptionalise Israel, Israelis or their government but recognise that they are human, flawed and likely to make mistakes like any other people, like any other army, like any other government. Particularly in the face of what is a rather exceptional terrorist guerilla army and a rather exceptional number of multiple fronts.

I think I would agree with all of your second paragraph other than the phrase “make mistakes”. It some of the mistakes are actually deliberate wouldn’t that be a problem.

Additionally, what do you see as the route to peace? And does the continued bloodshed and destruction make peace, never mind a lasting peace more or less likely?

This thread is about Albanese, not me. Her route to peace is more interesting and relevant than derailing. What is it?