Francesca Albanese

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'There are no red lines anymore' says UN Palestinian rights expert on US sanctions

Why?

🤦🏼‍♀️ because it shows that the west has been tolerating this for three years and continues to tolerate it.

Hang on, are you saying outside governments should get involved in Israeli domestic politics?

@Anonimummy ”It's a shame but there is no redemption arc in Israels future.”

After years of terrorisism, this is where the Palestinians find themselves now. At the end of the arc.
Which is why no government is riding to their rescue.

Because its fucked in the head. During world war 2 when the nazis had just gassed million of Jews and killed loads of people, no one was blethering away about their being no redemption arcs. Sounds like you're more interested in hating a country (which is genuinely weird) than anything good.

So, it's not possible to speak out against it? No criticism at all? No criticism of how the Palestinians are treated? West Bank settler violence?

Perhaps sanctions when it became apparent that the IDF were targeting civilians and children, hospitals etc. in Gaza? Oh, I know, don't tell me, Hamas.

That quote wasn’t me. I responded to it though.

Do you post like that about Palestine, China, Russia, Sudan, Yemen, Iran, Congo, Syria, Iraq, Haiti? Are you on a thread elsewhere doing that? If yes, then maybe you just speak like that. If not, you just hate Israel.

Where did I say you couldn't criticise? Im really fucking bored of saying yes I criticise the Israeli government. Yes you can too. Its a free country say what you like. 'Tolerate' has a different meaning and very different implications and they weren't talking about individuals, they were talki g about 'the West'.

The vast contrast of opinions and morals in issues like Francesca Albanese (who is a member of the UN, for the love of God!) between the UN signatories, like Europe, and Israel is proof enough that we no longer have principles, goals and morals in common. Completely different and imcompatible societies, if the marked opposition to the UN runs deep within Israelis, and not only their current government. And it very much looks like this aversion is not found only within Netanyahu's cabinet, but well further afield in Israel. We should stop calling each other allies and step away from any past coallition. We are opposed in far too many views of the world and what we want going further.

The UN is made up of dozens of communist, Arab and muslim countries that hate israel.
That's who votes against Israel generally and why there's like a zillion resolutions against Israel.

That, along with the way the UN and it's agencies do stuff like have textbooks wiping out their country or join in kidnapping them is probably why Israel isn't too keen.

Do u think Britain's new allies should be Iran, China, Russia, Qatar, North Korea, Venezuela? More your type?

To be honest I reckon the behaviour of the UN will be it's downfall and it won't exist soon, at least not with the status it did.

Trying to shame people into stopping saying what they are seeing doesn't work. You know that right? It's been tried for nearly two years and like I said Israel have never been less popular and more people than ever before are watching them.

I really don't care if you or anyone else think that I hate Israel, it's no skin off my nose. It doesn't look like anyone else cares at this stage either, certainly not Francesca Albanese who is going to keep on saying what she sees despite the bullyboy tactics being imposed on her.

@MisanthropeLikely Your reply is a good example.
I believe that the UN is a good witness to the state of affairs around the world, reports fairly and it is diversity is a true reflection of its important. Whatever a UN made up of only a few similar countries mean? Nothing, to me. I like the idea of debating issues, and signing and implementing agreements. Instead of wars. Wars destroy everything. It is good to hear all opinions. Actually, specially that of those different to yourself.
UK does not need other new allies to replace Israel...... it is just the natural conclusion. We really have zilch in common by now.

If you feel ashamed that's up to you. Albanese also hates Israel, has been publicly called out by several countries for antisemitic statements and is known to be probably one of the world's most obvious jew haters. You're a fan it seems. Anyway got better things to do

Apologies.

What’s really surprising is that Israel has carried out the actions in Palestine (and elsewhere) that it has, and still gets so offended when anyone suggests it is less than laudable.

Do you know how many countries have agreed with UN concerns?

For example, on the vote that Israel stop occupation of Palestinian Territories, only 14 voted out of 181 countries against in September 2024.

Those who voted against and in support of Israel were:
Argentina
Czech Republic
Fiji
Hungary
Israel
Malawi
Micronesia
Nauru
Palau
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Tonga
Tuvalu
United States

There were 43 countries who abstained- which at best shows ambivalence to what Israel is doing with regard to the occupation. 124 voted for the motion that Israel stop it’s occupation.

I am not sure it’s only a few countries sharing some of Albanese’s concerns

The UN is just a group of countries. Thats it. You think theyre all Godly or something?

The countries who voted for it just happen to include the worst countries in the world. Russia, currently waging an illegal war on Ukraine. China, who currently occupies Taiwan if you'd not noticed. Iran!! North bloody Korea!!!

plus all 57 Muslim-majority countries voted in favour of the resolution — except one (Albania, which abstained).

They vote against Israel for anything and everything.

They're all okay with the utter human rights horrors happenning in their own countries, including occupation!

Morocco has occupied about 70% of Western Sahara since 1976. Turkey is occupying Cyprus.

Nobody gives a shit because it's not Israel. And the politicians do politics. Countries like Britain have to appease voter base and I'm guessing a fair whack of Starmers voters are firmly in one camp.

The UN disproportionately targets Israel because its structure is deeply political, not moral. Resolutions are driven by voting blocs, especially the powerful Non-Aligned Movement and Organisation of Islamic Cooperation who reliably form majorities against Israel, regardless of context.

You could honestly have a vote tomorrow morning on whether israels flag was evil and they'd all agree it was.

Meanwhile, far worse abuses in countries like Syria, China, Iran, or Sudan often face minimal condemnation or are blocked from serious scrutiny altogether. This isn’t because those abuses are less severe—it’s because their perpetrators have allies on the Security Council or belong to voting blocs that shield them.

Israel, on the other hand, is isolated, lacks regional support and the result is a distorted picture where the only democracy in the Middle East is condemned more than serial human rights abusers who put little girls of 10 on fucking death row.

And structurally, the UN literally has its internal agency that manages this currently widely defunded for active complicity in the mass murder and kidnap of Israelis.

What a time to be alive

The world is made up of just a group of countries though? I never suggested anyone was godly- but that concerns about the occupation are pervasive.

I have listed those who voted against the motion. 12 out of 181. They don’t include a significant number of Western allies.

It must make Israel feel isolated- that I can understand.

(Google will help identify countries for whom there are sanctions and those the focus of UN resolutions - including those you think have avoided scrutiny).

Israel has been the subject of more HRC condemnations, special sessions, and commissions of inquiry than any other country by a mile, including North Korea, Iran, Syria, and China .

The frequency and intensity of scrutiny far exceed the scale of Israel’s violations compared to those major dictatorships and that should be obvious to any honest person.

The UN Security council blocked action on grave crises like Syria, Myanmar, Yemen, and Ethiopia. Just a political representation of a very corrupt and pretty disgusting world.

And Israel’s western allies not voting against the motion?