Francesca Albanese

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'There are no red lines anymore' says UN Palestinian rights expert on US sanctions

I do not accept the premise that Israel wants to get rid of the Palestinian people. They were prepared to co exist with them peacefully ( apart from the Settlers) before October 7th. The relocation will not be forced though I imagine many Gazans will disappoint Westerners by choosing to relocate. I would in their position because having Hamas in charge has had devastating consequences for Gaza.

Israel wants to destroy Hamas and if Hamas had agreed to put down their arms and leave Gaza months ago, many thousands of civilians would still be alive & the infrastructure wouldn’t be destroyed. Israel would have agreed to a permanent ceasefire months ago if the terms had been right.

My thought about the October attacks are that they presented an opportunity for both revenge and a cynical land grab. Ridding oneself of ones enemies and gaining land to boot is an opportunity not to be missed. I expect something similar will happen in the West Bank at some point.

The Palestinians have had decades of this.

7/10 was an opportunity? Wow. That's a lot of hate.

I think the West Bank will be cleared through either attrition and constant pressure from the authorities, IDF assisted settler violence or an 'event'.

More bulldozers and more land grabs.

The Palestinians also had decades where Israel had completely pulled out of Gaza. Thst doesn't entirely fit your narrative does it? Israel's concern is security, not land.

Disgusting to describe the massacre that happened on October 7th as an "opportunity" for Israel.

Appalling.

Not really. Netanyahu is not one to turn down an opportunity to deal with the Gaza problem. Are you seriously denying that this hasn't given the government an opportunity to deal with this once and for all?

Agree

He wouldn't be much of a strategist if he didn't seize upon this. It's a war after all isn't it? Or not? People need to make up their minds.

This is rather confused.

Yes it's a war and Netanyahu is now trying to gain as much as he can out of the situation. But he did not start a war against Hamas despite being so much stronger militarily.

Israeli citizens being massacred isn't an "opportunity" for Israel.

Completely pull out?? How come they still insisted on having so much control then?

Co exist with them peacefully? Really
See below from 2021

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/

I can't it is behind a paywall.

Discusses Israeli policy of “mowing the grass”
See this from 2019
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/07/ten-years-first-war-gaza-operation-cast-lead-israel-brute-force

So you're telling me that the flattening of Gaza and killing its people would have happened regardless of the events on October 7th?

What? Your posts are making no sense.

"this article is more than 6 years old"

I'm not going to get into a big discussion about historical grievances and attacks between the 2 sides because we could go on forever going back into history and probably still wouldn't agree who attacked who more often.

Maybe I should have said the two sides were in an "uneasy truce" before 7/10 rather than that they were co-existing peacefully. At any rate they weren't at war but Hamas changed that.

Read the article, the point is that it is from 2019, before October 7th, and Israel already being judged to have wantonly targeted Palestinian civilians and civilian infrastructure,
it is well worth a read

peace for Israel perhaps not for Palestinians

If you say so.

The writer of that article neglected to mention a very important fact, that Goldstone retracted the allegation in his report that Israel deliberately targets civilians. Rather removed all credibility of the point he was trying to make.

Might have been something to do with the constant rocket fire and terroristic shenanigans from hamasniks, at a guess. 7/10 showed the world what they would do when they had the chance.

Mind you we've seen what extremists are capable of throughout the middle east in recent years. Syria's going through some challenging times on it's path to (hopefully) stabilisation, though it's various minorities could do with some UN representation - what are the chances?

Albanese has been drawing attention to concerns about Israeli actions towards the Palestinians in the occupied territories for quite some time.

I don’t think any one of would have imagined the extent of devastation that has been wrought on Gaza.

@Twiglets1 noted
”Yes it's a war and Netanyahu is now trying to gain as much as he can out of the situation.”

I think this is exactly what has happened, and it’s not stopping either as Israel are trying to convince US to allow them to “encourage” Palestinians to leave Gaza. Fortunately Witkoff and US not keen to continue the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

Albanese certainly has her work cut out for her. The world and Palestinians need her to continue shining the spotlight on violations against Palestinians.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mossad-chief-reportedly-asked-witkoff-for-us-help-to-move-palestinians-out-of-gaza/