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At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

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mids2019 · 13/07/2025 05:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

I think it's great that the police are starting to take supporting terrorists seriously and are now using anti terror legislation to start making the arrests that should have happened some time ago. As predicted as the Gaza conflict has ground on there are more and more pro Palestine looks prepared to flirt with proscribed groups.

Maybe some halal time or fines will make these people think a bit more.

A number of police officers on a road with some members of the public taking photos and filming. The police appear to be carrying a person although only their foot can be seen in the image.

More than 70 arrests at Palestine Action ban protests

The protests - and the arrests - come after the pro-Palestinian group was proscribed as a terror organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

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Dangermoo · 16/07/2025 17:17

LipstickLessons · 16/07/2025 16:53

It's just a coincidence that this 'fashionable hate' for Israel grows in line with the number of children they kill, maim and starve. It's not like they could at all be connected. It's just 'fashion'.

Yep, fashionable for liberals to march for something they know fuck all about. I see posters, who are shit scared of Reform et al, talk about their voters having no critical thinking skills. Right back at you.

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 17:35

@LipstickLessons that argument doesn’t make sense because it was happening before Israel even retaliated. It’s been ‘trendy’ for years.

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 17:42

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 11:05

Palestinians never had a sovereign country.

You mean an independent state without security measures put in place by Israel as opposed to Gaza which was exactly that?

So no land, air and sea blockade, Palestinians allowed in and out of Israel at will, no checks for armaments, ingredients for bomb making and weapons in imports etc, tunnels left as they are, no using drones to monitor them etc?

OK but how will the Palestinians assure Israel there will be no more terrorism though, especially after what they were capable of doing, and filmed themselves enjoying and celebrating doing while shouting ‘Allah Akbar’, on Oct 7th?

Pinkie promise?

That's what a two state solution involves.

What would you like to see in the future?

LipstickLessons · 16/07/2025 17:43

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 17:35

@LipstickLessons that argument doesn’t make sense because it was happening before Israel even retaliated. It’s been ‘trendy’ for years.

How do you mean? Israel killed tens of children in the West Bank in 2023 prior to Oct 7, it was the deadliest year there for children since records began. That's why human rights orgs and governments were expressing concern at Israels violent, extremist behaviour in Sept of that year. People were obviously against that and their strength of feeling has grown with the more violent and extreme Israel proves themselves to be. Now we are at the point where they aren't just killing, torturing and imprisoning children like in 'normal' times, they are also starving them of the necessities for life.

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 16/07/2025 18:42

LipstickLessons · 16/07/2025 16:53

It's just a coincidence that this 'fashionable hate' for Israel grows in line with the number of children they kill, maim and starve. It's not like they could at all be connected. It's just 'fashion'.

The rise in antisemitism and marches was before the conflict started. 7th October happened, was ignored or celebrated by many and in the UK march for Palestine very quickly after. What does that say to you? Palestinian people cheering as Hamas and others including civilians paraded the bodies and the hostages killed and taken on 7th October. Yet the Pro Pal marched in the UK still, just afterwards.

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 16/07/2025 18:47

Palestinian Exploitation of Children as Weapons of War. A United Nations finding:

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-181056/

"On June 12, three Israeli teens — Gilad Shaar, Naftali Frankel, and Eyal Yifrah — were abducted from a bus stop and murdered by Hamas terrorists. Their bodies were mutilated and discarded in a shallow grave only to be discovered two weeks after their disappearance. The Israeli public collectively engaged in intense grief and rallied in support of the boys' families.
In contrast, the Palestinian public widely celebrated the crime, adopting a three-fingered salute honoring the "heroic" perpetrators and mocking the grieving families on social media. Coupled with these celebrations was an major intensification by the Hamas terror group of rocket attacks on Israeli population centers targeting civilians. Many of these missile strikes hit kindergartens, schools, and synagogues. The massive increase in rocket fire escalated into a war that is still raging, nearly two months later. Hamas, the rulers in Gaza, have broken eight ceasefires and rejected agreements putting an end to the fighting.
The kidnapping and murder of the Israelis and the Palestinian response highlight the use of children as an integral part of the Palestinian war strategy targeting the right of the Jewish people to sovereign equality.
As innocents, children are to be shielded as much as possible from the horrors of adult conflict and violence. Yet, children have long been the target of choice for Palestinian terrorists, just as they are for other Islamist terror groups such as ISIS, Boko Haram, and the Taliban."

An inconvenient truth about the children of Palestine

Palestinian exploitation of children as weapons of war HRC 27th session - NGO statement (Amuta for NGO Responsibility) - Question of Palestine

Written statement* submitted by the Amuta for NGO Responsibility, a non-governmental organization in special consultative status The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic...

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-181056/

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 16/07/2025 18:50

After years of being educated with incitement, Palestinian pre-teens are then pressed into service by "popular committees" to engage in riots and violent confrontations with Israeli soldiers. Older kids are sent to hurl firebombs and slingshot projectiles. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's Martyrs Brigades enlist teens to be suicide bombers and to commit other atrocities against Israeli civilians. Even rock-throwing, which has often been deadly, puts Palestinian minors at risk for arrest and jail time. The horrific and reprehensible murder of 16-year old Mohammed Abu Khdeir was also exploited by these committees to incite teens to engage in violent rioting and mass destruction of property.
In addition to turning minors into combatants, Palestinians deliberately place children at risk from Israeli counter-terror measures by co-locating weapons and terror infrastructure inside schools, hospitals, and mosques. Hamas officials have appeared on TV calling on Gazans to serve as human shields and to ignore Israeli warning of pending strikes. Terrorists adorn civilian dress and launch rockets and other weapons from within civilian areas to maximize loss during retaliatory attacks, which will increase the propaganda effect. According to IDF estimates, more than 25% of Palestinian rockets fall short of their Israeli civilian targets within Gaza. Many Palestinian children have been killed as a result, including 11-month old Jihad Misharawi in November 2012 and a three-year old girl in July. The bodies of dead Palestinian children are often posed and otherwise exploited for the media.
The most shocking aspect of this deliberate disregard for children's lives and dignity, however, is the blind eye turned to it by the UN, the EU, and so-called human rights organizations.
UN institutions and officials, particularly at the HRC, look the other way and even in some cases praise these abuses as "resistance." During the latest Hamas war, dozens of rockets have been found hidden in UNRWA schools, and media reports have shown children playing on rocket launchers located just outside UN shelters. Many rocket launches have taken place from within or near UN facilities. Yet, UNRWA officials have remained silent or only offered half-hearted condemnations of these war crimes.
The EU funds many TV programs and other media that perpetuate terrorist indoctrination and incitement. The EU also partners, through NGO projects, with the Palestinian Struggle Coordinating Committee, responsible for organizing protests that frequently turn violent. EU largesse has also been used by the PA to pay salaries to convicted terrorists serving their sentences in prison.
NGOs like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch generally bury condemnations of these violations against children in lengthy publications accusing Israel of war crimes. Calls for accountability or an end to impunity for terror perpetrators are rarely made. Measures such as universal jurisdiction lawsuits, boycott campaigns, and lobbying for ICC prosecutions (the NGOs' weapons of choice against Israel) are never wielded against Palestinians for their crimes against children.
Such complicity only emboldens future acts and represents the total inversion of morality, human rights, and law.
The depraved exploitation and abuse of children as targets and weapons by Palestinians must end. Yet, these abominable tactics will persist so long as the UN, members of the international community, and NGOs continue to enable these atrocities.

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 19:40

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 17:42

That's what a two state solution involves.

What would you like to see in the future?

How does a two state solution assure Israel there will be no more terrorism though, especially after what the Palestinians were capable of doing, and filmed themselves enjoying and celebrating doing while shouting ‘Allah Akbar’, on Oct 7th?

Hasn’t that been on the table for 77 years now? Didn’t Israel withdraw from Gaza and the Gazans then elected Hamas a year later?

How come you think a two state solution will suddenly resolve the issue now?

What I would like to see is Egypt doing what it should have been pressured to do in October 2023, especially as they are a big part of the reason Gazans were ‘occupied’ and large proportion of Gazans have ancestral links to Egypt.

Taking in refugees who want no part in Hamas activities so the IDF can finish dismantling the evil fucks and their organisation without civilians getting caught in the cross hairs, they can have access to the aid they need without it being stolen and sold back at inflated prices or being murdered and tortured for taking free aid/aid Hamas wants for itself, and the children can start to gradually heal from the horrific things they’ve been exposed to a war zone in safety.

Whether Gazans want a moderate government and to live in peace will determine what happens next.

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 19:49

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 19:40

How does a two state solution assure Israel there will be no more terrorism though, especially after what the Palestinians were capable of doing, and filmed themselves enjoying and celebrating doing while shouting ‘Allah Akbar’, on Oct 7th?

Hasn’t that been on the table for 77 years now? Didn’t Israel withdraw from Gaza and the Gazans then elected Hamas a year later?

How come you think a two state solution will suddenly resolve the issue now?

What I would like to see is Egypt doing what it should have been pressured to do in October 2023, especially as they are a big part of the reason Gazans were ‘occupied’ and large proportion of Gazans have ancestral links to Egypt.

Taking in refugees who want no part in Hamas activities so the IDF can finish dismantling the evil fucks and their organisation without civilians getting caught in the cross hairs, they can have access to the aid they need without it being stolen and sold back at inflated prices or being murdered and tortured for taking free aid/aid Hamas wants for itself, and the children can start to gradually heal from the horrific things they’ve been exposed to a war zone in safety.

Whether Gazans want a moderate government and to live in peace will determine what happens next.

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So essentially your in favor of the ethnic cleansing of 2 million Palestinans to Egypt, have I read that right?

What about the 2.7 million Palestinans in the West Bank. Do they get to stay?

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 19:50

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 16/07/2025 18:50

After years of being educated with incitement, Palestinian pre-teens are then pressed into service by "popular committees" to engage in riots and violent confrontations with Israeli soldiers. Older kids are sent to hurl firebombs and slingshot projectiles. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's Martyrs Brigades enlist teens to be suicide bombers and to commit other atrocities against Israeli civilians. Even rock-throwing, which has often been deadly, puts Palestinian minors at risk for arrest and jail time. The horrific and reprehensible murder of 16-year old Mohammed Abu Khdeir was also exploited by these committees to incite teens to engage in violent rioting and mass destruction of property.
In addition to turning minors into combatants, Palestinians deliberately place children at risk from Israeli counter-terror measures by co-locating weapons and terror infrastructure inside schools, hospitals, and mosques. Hamas officials have appeared on TV calling on Gazans to serve as human shields and to ignore Israeli warning of pending strikes. Terrorists adorn civilian dress and launch rockets and other weapons from within civilian areas to maximize loss during retaliatory attacks, which will increase the propaganda effect. According to IDF estimates, more than 25% of Palestinian rockets fall short of their Israeli civilian targets within Gaza. Many Palestinian children have been killed as a result, including 11-month old Jihad Misharawi in November 2012 and a three-year old girl in July. The bodies of dead Palestinian children are often posed and otherwise exploited for the media.
The most shocking aspect of this deliberate disregard for children's lives and dignity, however, is the blind eye turned to it by the UN, the EU, and so-called human rights organizations.
UN institutions and officials, particularly at the HRC, look the other way and even in some cases praise these abuses as "resistance." During the latest Hamas war, dozens of rockets have been found hidden in UNRWA schools, and media reports have shown children playing on rocket launchers located just outside UN shelters. Many rocket launches have taken place from within or near UN facilities. Yet, UNRWA officials have remained silent or only offered half-hearted condemnations of these war crimes.
The EU funds many TV programs and other media that perpetuate terrorist indoctrination and incitement. The EU also partners, through NGO projects, with the Palestinian Struggle Coordinating Committee, responsible for organizing protests that frequently turn violent. EU largesse has also been used by the PA to pay salaries to convicted terrorists serving their sentences in prison.
NGOs like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch generally bury condemnations of these violations against children in lengthy publications accusing Israel of war crimes. Calls for accountability or an end to impunity for terror perpetrators are rarely made. Measures such as universal jurisdiction lawsuits, boycott campaigns, and lobbying for ICC prosecutions (the NGOs' weapons of choice against Israel) are never wielded against Palestinians for their crimes against children.
Such complicity only emboldens future acts and represents the total inversion of morality, human rights, and law.
The depraved exploitation and abuse of children as targets and weapons by Palestinians must end. Yet, these abominable tactics will persist so long as the UN, members of the international community, and NGOs continue to enable these atrocities.

Why do the Palestinians do these things?

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 19:52

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 19:40

How does a two state solution assure Israel there will be no more terrorism though, especially after what the Palestinians were capable of doing, and filmed themselves enjoying and celebrating doing while shouting ‘Allah Akbar’, on Oct 7th?

Hasn’t that been on the table for 77 years now? Didn’t Israel withdraw from Gaza and the Gazans then elected Hamas a year later?

How come you think a two state solution will suddenly resolve the issue now?

What I would like to see is Egypt doing what it should have been pressured to do in October 2023, especially as they are a big part of the reason Gazans were ‘occupied’ and large proportion of Gazans have ancestral links to Egypt.

Taking in refugees who want no part in Hamas activities so the IDF can finish dismantling the evil fucks and their organisation without civilians getting caught in the cross hairs, they can have access to the aid they need without it being stolen and sold back at inflated prices or being murdered and tortured for taking free aid/aid Hamas wants for itself, and the children can start to gradually heal from the horrific things they’ve been exposed to a war zone in safety.

Whether Gazans want a moderate government and to live in peace will determine what happens next.

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Be forced into another country who don't want them?

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 19:57

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 19:40

How does a two state solution assure Israel there will be no more terrorism though, especially after what the Palestinians were capable of doing, and filmed themselves enjoying and celebrating doing while shouting ‘Allah Akbar’, on Oct 7th?

Hasn’t that been on the table for 77 years now? Didn’t Israel withdraw from Gaza and the Gazans then elected Hamas a year later?

How come you think a two state solution will suddenly resolve the issue now?

What I would like to see is Egypt doing what it should have been pressured to do in October 2023, especially as they are a big part of the reason Gazans were ‘occupied’ and large proportion of Gazans have ancestral links to Egypt.

Taking in refugees who want no part in Hamas activities so the IDF can finish dismantling the evil fucks and their organisation without civilians getting caught in the cross hairs, they can have access to the aid they need without it being stolen and sold back at inflated prices or being murdered and tortured for taking free aid/aid Hamas wants for itself, and the children can start to gradually heal from the horrific things they’ve been exposed to a war zone in safety.

Whether Gazans want a moderate government and to live in peace will determine what happens next.

Edited

'Live in peace'? Seriously? How are the Gazans supposed to do that when they're forced to hear about the atrocities going on in the West Bank.

These are angry people. They're not cattle to be controlled and herded this way and that. Their homeland is wrecked, their people killed, imprisoned, tortured, raped and starved. They endure daily hardships - in the West Bank as well - and you're expecting them to just meekly go along with what Israel deem to grant to them?

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 19:58

And the Israeli government sure isn't moderate. The way they've referred to the Palestinians is shocking. They regard them as less than human.

'What's sauce for the goose' and all that.....

Ohthatsabitshit · 16/07/2025 20:03

Israel has lost its way.

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 20:34

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 19:49

So essentially your in favor of the ethnic cleansing of 2 million Palestinans to Egypt, have I read that right?

What about the 2.7 million Palestinans in the West Bank. Do they get to stay?

Why don’t you actually respond to the post you are responding to instead of making up shit up as you go along?

I absolutely support, Gazan children especially, being removed from a war zone to safety where they are not longer being used as pawns in Hamas’ long running game plan to spill as much Palestinian blood as possible.

Don’t you?

Gaza is practically flattened isn’t it? You want children to remain there, being murdered by the evil IDF, living open to the elements, to starve and die of thirst, with their parents already struggling to feed them because apparently Israel is killing them when they try to?

Medical facilities bombed, no schools, hiding from Israeli bombs in the rubble?

How could anybody be in favour of that!

Horrifying!

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 20:36

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 19:57

'Live in peace'? Seriously? How are the Gazans supposed to do that when they're forced to hear about the atrocities going on in the West Bank.

These are angry people. They're not cattle to be controlled and herded this way and that. Their homeland is wrecked, their people killed, imprisoned, tortured, raped and starved. They endure daily hardships - in the West Bank as well - and you're expecting them to just meekly go along with what Israel deem to grant to them?

So what do you think should happen?

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 20:42

Perhaps Gazan children could be sent to live with Palestinian families in the West Bank where they'll be safer. I think that's a possibility.

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 20:49

What do you call Islamophobia when the fear isn’t irrational?

smallglassbottle · 16/07/2025 21:04

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 20:49

What do you call Islamophobia when the fear isn’t irrational?

https://mcb.org.uk/resources/islamophobia/

It's racist to express these opinions. You may be referred to Prevent who will be happy to re educate you.

Islamophobia | Muslim Council of Britain

Islamophobia and conspiracies of Muslims are well-established within a section of British society. These often play into Islamophobic tropes, and are seen to be propagated by the far-right.

https://mcb.org.uk/resources/islamophobia/

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 21:12

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 20:34

Why don’t you actually respond to the post you are responding to instead of making up shit up as you go along?

I absolutely support, Gazan children especially, being removed from a war zone to safety where they are not longer being used as pawns in Hamas’ long running game plan to spill as much Palestinian blood as possible.

Don’t you?

Gaza is practically flattened isn’t it? You want children to remain there, being murdered by the evil IDF, living open to the elements, to starve and die of thirst, with their parents already struggling to feed them because apparently Israel is killing them when they try to?

Medical facilities bombed, no schools, hiding from Israeli bombs in the rubble?

How could anybody be in favour of that!

Horrifying!

Edited

I didn't make up any "shit" you have just repeated what I said in my post
You want Palestinians ethnically cleansed from their land and moved to a new place (where I don't know because Egypt will not absorb 2 million traumatized refugees, many orphans, many with long term medical needs) . Dress it up anyway that helps justify it but it is what it boils down to.

A two state solution is the only ethical solution.

And who will take over the land that remains in Gaza?
And what should happen to the Palestinians in the West Bank?

Anonimummy · 16/07/2025 21:29

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 21:12

I didn't make up any "shit" you have just repeated what I said in my post
You want Palestinians ethnically cleansed from their land and moved to a new place (where I don't know because Egypt will not absorb 2 million traumatized refugees, many orphans, many with long term medical needs) . Dress it up anyway that helps justify it but it is what it boils down to.

A two state solution is the only ethical solution.

And who will take over the land that remains in Gaza?
And what should happen to the Palestinians in the West Bank?

When is being moved to safety in a war zone, ethnic cleansing?

Have all the Ukrainian refugees that came over here been ethnically cleansed? The Syrian refugees etc.

Why is land more important than children actually living as children to you?

Egypt is the only place for them to go unless you want them in Netanyahu’s ‘concentration camps’?

Gaza is flattened, it will take years to rebuild, and is likely full of unexploded mines, IEDs,etc, placed by Hamas and Hamas will still be there.

Where do you expect the children to live, be educated, and be safe? Or don’t you think they need to be?

Who’s talking about the West Bank?

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 21:35

@smallglassbottle so you think Israelis are racist for being scared? This is the problem today. If you criticise a group (ie grooming gangs) you get called racist. Thanks for showing it applies here too.

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 21:35

When is being moved to safety in a war zone, ethnic cleansing?

When it's forcible and not optional?

Who is going to take over the land left?

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 21:39

Egypt won’t open their border because of what happened in Lebanon. But Pro P don’t want them to leave either. Nor do they want them to go to a place of safety. And hamas won’t surrender. Make it make sense.

Martymcfly24 · 16/07/2025 21:46

DwarfBeans · 16/07/2025 21:39

Egypt won’t open their border because of what happened in Lebanon. But Pro P don’t want them to leave either. Nor do they want them to go to a place of safety. And hamas won’t surrender. Make it make sense.

Do you think the Egyptian economy with it's high public debt can absorb 2 million homeless refugees (which includes around 40,000 orphans) and sustain them.

Egypt currently has a homeless crisis, around 12 million people including 3 million children are homeless.