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At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

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mids2019 · 13/07/2025 05:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

I think it's great that the police are starting to take supporting terrorists seriously and are now using anti terror legislation to start making the arrests that should have happened some time ago. As predicted as the Gaza conflict has ground on there are more and more pro Palestine looks prepared to flirt with proscribed groups.

Maybe some halal time or fines will make these people think a bit more.

A number of police officers on a road with some members of the public taking photos and filming. The police appear to be carrying a person although only their foot can be seen in the image.

More than 70 arrests at Palestine Action ban protests

The protests - and the arrests - come after the pro-Palestinian group was proscribed as a terror organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

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Voxon · 13/07/2025 23:15

The marches in Israel aren't chanting for intifadas and "from the river to the sea" or harassing Jewish businesses or any of the things we object to. They're a good example of how to do a protest actually.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 23:17

Voxon · 13/07/2025 23:15

The marches in Israel aren't chanting for intifadas and "from the river to the sea" or harassing Jewish businesses or any of the things we object to. They're a good example of how to do a protest actually.

Exactly.

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 23:19

I am not ignoring you. I am correcting your narrative and the majority of the people marching are not terrorist supporters calling for the destruction of Israel. It’s an anti war march.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 23:26

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 23:19

I am not ignoring you. I am correcting your narrative and the majority of the people marching are not terrorist supporters calling for the destruction of Israel. It’s an anti war march.

It is undeniable that there are racists and terrorist supporters on the marches. Pictures of parachutes, antisemitic cartoons, blood libel, 'Houthis Houthis make us proud', 'Judaism yes, Zionism no', 'From the river to the sea' etc. You have not corrected my narrative, what you have done is exposed your own unwillingness to see what is in front of you. The 'majority' may not be terrorist supporters, but they are willing to walk alongside them and apparently say nothing. What is it people say? Silence is complicity?

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 23:32

"It's an anti-war march" - so you keep saying...

But to me (as a non-Jew by the way), it seems like a very one-directional anti-war march. The slogans are all about stopping Israel, never about stopping Hamas. In fact, their blatantly genocidal intentions are downplayed as the struggle for freedom.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 23:36

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 23:32

"It's an anti-war march" - so you keep saying...

But to me (as a non-Jew by the way), it seems like a very one-directional anti-war march. The slogans are all about stopping Israel, never about stopping Hamas. In fact, their blatantly genocidal intentions are downplayed as the struggle for freedom.

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Yes, 'resistance is justified' a constant refrain since immediately after 7th October. That should have been an end to it.

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 23:37

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 23:26

It is undeniable that there are racists and terrorist supporters on the marches. Pictures of parachutes, antisemitic cartoons, blood libel, 'Houthis Houthis make us proud', 'Judaism yes, Zionism no', 'From the river to the sea' etc. You have not corrected my narrative, what you have done is exposed your own unwillingness to see what is in front of you. The 'majority' may not be terrorist supporters, but they are willing to walk alongside them and apparently say nothing. What is it people say? Silence is complicity?

There are tens of thousands of people
marching. You are focusing on a small minority who get all the coverage and it suits you as you can then dismiss everyone marching as somehow anti zionists. I am really comfortable marching alongside people calling for ceasefire and an end to the war.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 23:39

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 23:37

There are tens of thousands of people
marching. You are focusing on a small minority who get all the coverage and it suits you as you can then dismiss everyone marching as somehow anti zionists. I am really comfortable marching alongside people calling for ceasefire and an end to the war.

But why are you comfortable also walking alongside people called for the destruction of Israel, promoting and justifying the hatred of Jews and supporting terrorists?

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Amorphic · 13/07/2025 23:44

All day, every day.

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mids2019 · 13/07/2025 23:52

Of the government don't act then the protests harden and people start to feel anti semitis m and public menace are acceptable. No one is above the law.

just because you are entrenched in the pro Palestinian movement the halo of seeming virtue does not allow you to overstep the boundaries of legitimate protest. Governments pass laws and act in the people's interest; in this case to ensure peace is kept.

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SisforSusanna · 14/07/2025 00:01

mids2019 · 13/07/2025 23:52

Of the government don't act then the protests harden and people start to feel anti semitis m and public menace are acceptable. No one is above the law.

just because you are entrenched in the pro Palestinian movement the halo of seeming virtue does not allow you to overstep the boundaries of legitimate protest. Governments pass laws and act in the people's interest; in this case to ensure peace is kept.

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for.
i am going to stop posting now as agree this is going nowhere, but I am so proud of myself for not being the type of person to just sit on my ass when tens of thousands of innocent people are being slaughtered. I take my kids to the marches too. I want to bring them up as people who care
about others, even if they are in a land far away.

Memely · 14/07/2025 05:03

SisforSusanna · 14/07/2025 00:01

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for.
i am going to stop posting now as agree this is going nowhere, but I am so proud of myself for not being the type of person to just sit on my ass when tens of thousands of innocent people are being slaughtered. I take my kids to the marches too. I want to bring them up as people who care
about others, even if they are in a land far away.

Is there really a difference between sitting on your arse and doing performative outrage? What exactly are you accomplishing by marching?

Comedycook · 14/07/2025 06:45

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for

Well it hasn't achieved it, has it?

What it has achieved is more division, more hatred and Jewish people feeling scared to visit certain areas at certain times as well as being fearful of being openly Jewish.

Bravo...what an achievement.

SharonEllis · 14/07/2025 07:06

Comedycook · 14/07/2025 06:45

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for

Well it hasn't achieved it, has it?

What it has achieved is more division, more hatred and Jewish people feeling scared to visit certain areas at certain times as well as being fearful of being openly Jewish.

Bravo...what an achievement.

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I think employing an antisemitic trope to criticise me is also a bit revealing, while completely brushing off any suggestion that it matters that the marches are full of people siding with the terrorists.

Amorphic · 14/07/2025 07:47

Protesting is a vital tool in democracy. When the government are not listening to its citizens these are the tools the citizens have to show their opposition. The purpose of the protesting is to physically represent opposition to government policy, when letters, petitions and MPs are not working. This was done for the Government’s support of many things, including other wars and Brexit.

SisforSusanna · 14/07/2025 08:14

Memely · 14/07/2025 05:03

Is there really a difference between sitting on your arse and doing performative outrage? What exactly are you accomplishing by marching?

Yes there is a difference. There is a long history of demonstrations and protest in democracies. There are hundreds of thousands marching across Europe. It’s only on these threads a few very strong and persistent voices would like you to believe that these are all anti semites chanting death to Israel (some U.K. media pushes the same narrative).

Dangermoo · 14/07/2025 08:17

Shenmen · 13/07/2025 14:00

That is true. But the marches I have been past are all about wanting the war to end and nothing about wanting further death.

The war won't end until Israel is crushed. To talk of peace, is futile.

Beachtastic · 14/07/2025 09:13

Having slept on this, I can see that some PPs here really do mean well with the marches and consider them a completely harmless way of declaring the obvious need for such a horrible war to “just stop.”

As leader of the suffragette movement, Emmeline Pankhurst achieved a lot as a political activist and had strong ideas about what was right and wrong. During World War I, she organised women to distribute white feathers as a form of public shaming aimed at encouraging men to enlist in the military. They handed these feathers (a symbol of cowardice, from cockfighting lore where a bird with a white feather was considered weak) to men in civilian clothes to imply they were shirking their duty by not joining the armed forces. This was her form of public virtue signalling and she believed it was her patriotic duty. Many men were deeply humiliated, because they were on leave from active service, medically unfit, too young/old to enlist, working in essential war industries, or even conscientious objectors to a war that in retrospect is understood as a senseless conflict driven by outdated imperial ambitions and rigid alliances, resulting in over 16 million dead.

So please be careful when you choose to virtue signal in a highly charged political situation that you cannot fully grasp.

In particular, please try to bear in mind:

  • Middle Eastern politics will never make sense to Westerners, as they reflect an entirely alien ideology (e.g. attitudes to death).
  • Hamas is not going to just settle down quietly after signing a piece of paper, and this is not Israel’s fault for inflaming a whole new generation. They were going to be “inflamed” anyway because that’s the culture Hamas has imposed.
  • This is also a propaganda war being played out on social media, and Hamas uses this to their full advantage in a way that Israel so far has refrained from doing. It is very hard to get the image of a dying baby out of your mind. Much easier to draw a veil over events like 7 Oct that are discreetly shrouded.
  • Calling Israel’s actions a “genocide” is simply incorrect. I have felt like an absolute fucking psychopath spelling out why, but please look it up and understand the true meaning of the term. It does not mean “too many dead babies.” This is not a numbers game, it is about specific intent.
  • You using that term is particularly insulting to the Israelis and the entire Jewish race, who actually ARE facing an immediate genocidal threat (again!).
  • When you say things like “I have nothing against Jews, but oppose this genocide” you are revealing a deep ignorance about what is at stake for Israel that suggests, at the very least, indifference to the fact that a lot of very rich ME countries want to wipe them off the map (and not just in Israel).

I think this conflict has driven us all mad with grief and anxiety. We often say to each other on here, “I bet you don’t comment as much on Sudan” etc, and I must admit I have never taken much interest in world politics and can’t pretend to unravel the insanely complex picture of this one. It feels as though the world has taken a nightmarishly dark turn, and it is awful feeling so helpless in the face of it. I completely understand the need to “do something” and how marching in the streets might help to alleviate that feeling of frustration and despair. But for all the reasons outlined above, however peaceful your marches, please consider that in reality you could be helping to achieve something you will one day deeply regret.

Also, please try to have a nice day. There is absolutely fuck all we can do about this ghastly state of affairs, but we can try to refrain from helping to polarise UK society. When there is so much suffering in the world, I think all we can do is count our blessings that we are lucky enough not to be in peril. Kiss our children, enjoy the sunshine, give thanks for this wonderful life that so many would give anything to swap places for.

Memely · 14/07/2025 12:31

Dangermoo · 14/07/2025 08:17

The war won't end until Israel is crushed. To talk of peace, is futile.

Israel will never be crushed. The war can end today if the Gazan government surrenders and releases the hostages.

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 12:46

Memely · 14/07/2025 12:31

Israel will never be crushed. The war can end today if the Gazan government surrenders and releases the hostages.

The only long term solution is peaceful negotiation with both parties engaging and sticking to agreements made.

Memely · 14/07/2025 15:09

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 12:46

The only long term solution is peaceful negotiation with both parties engaging and sticking to agreements made.

True, but as one side has been adamant for the past 80 years that they won't make peace, there's not much hope for the future.

Furthermore, there should never have been any need for peaceful negotiation to begin with. There was no justification for the Arabs in 1948 opposing a Jewish state (although there could have been negotiations on the exact borders). The war they started then, and have kept up all the years, is entirely on them, as are all consequences ever since.