At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

I think it's great that the police are starting to take supporting terrorists seriously and are now using anti terror legislation to start making the arrests that should have happened some time ago. As predicted as the Gaza conflict has ground on there are more and more pro Palestine looks prepared to flirt with proscribed groups.

Maybe some halal time or fines will make these people think a bit more.

You did say it was “mere criminal damage”
TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 13:20
So by that definition, acts of vandalism that happened during Kristallnacht can be described as mere criminal damage?

In response to one of my posts, me, not another PP.

I have not downplayed. I have the opinion that the government has abused their power to ban PA as a terrorist organisation and that the poster before me who said they are “like Hamas” was being hyperbolic.

Nothing PA has done or planned to do even comes close to the death and destruction of Hamas nor is it even remotely comparable to the state sanctioned Nazi mobs attacking hundreds of Jewish families on Kristallnacht. Did you know around 100 Jews were murdered then? And 30,000 Jews were rounded up and sent to the death camps? That 1,500 synagogues were burned to the ground? And over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed?

Why would you think that comparable to 4 activists sneaking onto a RAF base and spray painting 2 fighter jets…an act that harmed no one at all in any way.

The day we start valuing military weapons the same as human lives or more, is the day we lose our humanity.

I think that's a fair point. You say you're Jewish and I'm not, so I'd like to ask if you're at all disconcerted by the predominance of "pro-Palestine" rallies in the UK, given that the demos of 14 October were submitted for approval on 7 October as the Hamas/Gazan atrocities were unfolding? I feel the whole narrative has been skewed from the start to present an existential threat to the Jewish community - not just in Israel, but right here in the UK - as a kind of long-suppressed retaliation. I'm not trying to be arsey here, just genuinely curious to know how you feel about this.

I don't think you need to compare anything to anything to decide if the acts of an organisation meet the threshold for being proscribed.

Maybe ask the Jewish businesses whose property was vandalised by PA how they feel?

Then why did you compare? If you think it wasn’t necessary, why appropriate the memory of one night in which over 100 Jews were murdered a further 30,000 Jewish people sent to the death camps, 1,500 destroyed synagogues and 7,000 Jewish businesses fire bombed to try and paint me as someone who doesn’t care about my own Jewish community?

You know Kristallnacht was more than vandalism, you know it was also the start of a genocide, so why even compare PA spray painting two fighter jets, and other vandalism in which no one was hurt to Kristallnacht?

If you minimise the actions of a proscribed and anti-semitic terrorist organisation as criminal damage, you can't help but draw the comparison.

I am more disconcerted by the reaction to the peace marches than to the marches themselves. Peace marches are no threat. Critics seeing them as a threat and then polarising society into an us vs them where being Jewish is synonymous with being pro Israeli and pro war while being against war on Palestinians is framed as antisemitism is what concerns me.

The full range of opinions are in the Jewish community as much as anywhere else on this. No one is saying is unchristian to be marching for peace or Islamophobic to want the hostages released. There is only churn and debate in which we Jews are being told what we should think and that we should be afraid of people protesting what is objectively a brutal war.

This war is about land. Chatter making it about religion is the fertile ground on which antisemitism flourishes.

@TeenagersAngst
Yes you can choose to not draw the comparison between the incomparable.

It’s very unpleasant to inappropriately weaponise the Shoah to cloak recent events in hyperbole.

There is no reality where 100 murders, 30,000 sent to death camps, 1,500 synagogues burned down and 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed in 1 night is on the same scale as 4 people spraying paint on 2 fighter jets on a military base

Unless you think that 30,100 Jewish lives are worth less than or the same as the cost to repaint a couple of fighter jets. This is the last I will say on this. It’s offensive what you are doing- weaponising the Shoah to minimise the Holocaust by comparison to much lesser criminal activity in which no one was physically hurt. It’s a form of Holocaust denial too by the way.

I don’t think it is a war about land. I think Hamas, hezbollah and Iran want all Jews eradicated. It’s part of their doctrine, no?

If Iran wanted to kill all Jews, why are there thousands of them, despite being offered a home in Israel, still living there, ?
Maybe you need to have a rethink. The problem that Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah have is primarily with the state of Israel and the land that it "occupies", not Jews Per se.

Honestly? yes of course, if someone did that to my DD i'd want them killed a 1000x over.
Justice or revenge is a very strong motivating force for many victims or their families.

But i would hope i would not want to extend that "justice" to everyone in their town/settlement where they came from.

The Israelis and Palestinians are going to have to learn live along side each other and a Palestinian state is probably the only way it can ever happen but we are decades away from that now, thanks to Oct 7th and the actions of Netanyahu.

@DwarfBeans Appear its coming from Starmer "Emergency Meeting on Gaza called for tomo" , married to a Jewish woman but of course, its not support for Hamas, its support for the Gazans who have been murdered in their 10s of 1000s.. & the starvation they are now suffering.

💯 This blind obedience of law that many posters here are expressing was not so respectable after the Nuremberg trials

I hope you're having a laugh here!

That's interesting and I do see the point you're making. From my perspective, I'm just wary of the marches because although a lot of people participating in them probably genuinely think they are demonstrating for "peace", it's such a nebulous thing to achieve in such complex circumstances that I doubt they could explain what they meant by it if you stopped to ask them, aside from not wanting their Insta feed to be flooded with images of dying babies every day.

On the other hand, some of the organisers do seem to have a definite agenda, given that the first demo was planned on 7 October for the following weekend.

Without pretending to have any sophisticated understanding of ME politics, I think it is a massive oversimplification to say that for Hamas, "This war is about land."