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Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 10:00

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza

Speaking in a rare on-camera interview with Sky News, the soldier said the criteria of opening fire on civilians shifted depending on the commander.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

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Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 11:23

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 11:14

Now that you are at lecturing us with the region’s history, perhaps you should also mention Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem who was buddy buddy with Hitler and wanted to exterminate the Jews. Naice!

Did you know that nearly 12,000 Palestinians voluntarily fought alongside the British against the Nazis?

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Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 11:48

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 11:23

Did you know that nearly 12,000 Palestinians voluntarily fought alongside the British against the Nazis?

I imagine they’d be turning in their graves horrified at the ‘cause’ that has raged for the next 77 years in their name.

Although they would have identified as Arabs not Palestinians in those days.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 11:51

Major news outlets have a long history of getting burned by anonymous sources who turned out to be lying or wrong.

Sky News falsely reported chemical weapons in Syria and their sources turned out to be lying. Similarly with the WPD thing in Iraq. I remember recently CNN said Trump aide Scaramucci was under investigation, based on anonymous sources. The story was false, and loads of CNN people had to resign.

I think personally the story here is highly unlikely to be true and deserves serious scepticism.

First, there’s a massive difference between a soldier doing something wrong in the chaos of war - which happens in every army - and a systematic policy to target civilians. The claim here implies the latter.

But the IDF has strict rules of engagement, and every combat operation is monitored closely - drones, surveillance, comms logs, bodycams. Any deliberate civilian targeting would involve dozens or hundreds of people knowingly committing war crimes and hiding it - not just soldiers, but commanders, legal advisers, intelligence officers, and tech support staff.

We'd have to believe everyone was in on this murderous conspiracy which is far-fetched and also doesn't correlate with evidence of previous incidents.

The IDF has also shown it does prosecute misconduct (e.g., Elor Azaria in 2016). It doesn’t ignore violations - it punishes them when proven.

To pull off the kind of coverup being implied here, Israel would need to silence thousands of people, somehow prevent leaks, and avoid the eyes of NGOs, journalists, international observers, and satellite footage - all while risking total diplomatic collapse and war crimes trials. It’s just not plausible IMO.

Could one soldier misinterpret what they saw? Yes. Could someone make it up or spread second-hand stories for political reasons? Also yes. But anonymous claims without evidence, in a propaganda-heavy war, aren’t proof of anything.

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 11:55

No you come across as completely impartial @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend & not at all as someone who would be quick to believe the worst about Israel.

Shellyash · 08/07/2025 11:56

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 02:07

I think if he is telling the truth, then he must come out with his identity and state his story so it can be verified. He might face some backlash, but he can't expect the world to take an anonymous single source amongst 630k without some corroboration and it's far too serious a matter to be taken lightly. Although the world will indeed do that.

Unintelligent people will believe that. They will read stuff they want to hear, and not the truth. IDF are fighting a terrorist organisation, or numerous terrorist organisations - and these organisations have no rules of war or morality.

Shellyash · 08/07/2025 12:00

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 11:51

Major news outlets have a long history of getting burned by anonymous sources who turned out to be lying or wrong.

Sky News falsely reported chemical weapons in Syria and their sources turned out to be lying. Similarly with the WPD thing in Iraq. I remember recently CNN said Trump aide Scaramucci was under investigation, based on anonymous sources. The story was false, and loads of CNN people had to resign.

I think personally the story here is highly unlikely to be true and deserves serious scepticism.

First, there’s a massive difference between a soldier doing something wrong in the chaos of war - which happens in every army - and a systematic policy to target civilians. The claim here implies the latter.

But the IDF has strict rules of engagement, and every combat operation is monitored closely - drones, surveillance, comms logs, bodycams. Any deliberate civilian targeting would involve dozens or hundreds of people knowingly committing war crimes and hiding it - not just soldiers, but commanders, legal advisers, intelligence officers, and tech support staff.

We'd have to believe everyone was in on this murderous conspiracy which is far-fetched and also doesn't correlate with evidence of previous incidents.

The IDF has also shown it does prosecute misconduct (e.g., Elor Azaria in 2016). It doesn’t ignore violations - it punishes them when proven.

To pull off the kind of coverup being implied here, Israel would need to silence thousands of people, somehow prevent leaks, and avoid the eyes of NGOs, journalists, international observers, and satellite footage - all while risking total diplomatic collapse and war crimes trials. It’s just not plausible IMO.

Could one soldier misinterpret what they saw? Yes. Could someone make it up or spread second-hand stories for political reasons? Also yes. But anonymous claims without evidence, in a propaganda-heavy war, aren’t proof of anything.

Thank you. I have never read such a cloudy/shady news article as this one, and am really surprised at the amount of folks on here who immediately take it as gospel. We saw the facts and proof of what Hamas did on 7th October with a full investigation. This article is not worth the paper it is written on. Need lots more factual evidence.

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:05

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 11:48

I imagine they’d be turning in their graves horrified at the ‘cause’ that has raged for the next 77 years in their name.

Although they would have identified as Arabs not Palestinians in those days.

No, they served as Palestinians. Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians formed the Palestinian infantry.

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Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:06

Shellyash · 08/07/2025 12:00

Thank you. I have never read such a cloudy/shady news article as this one, and am really surprised at the amount of folks on here who immediately take it as gospel. We saw the facts and proof of what Hamas did on 7th October with a full investigation. This article is not worth the paper it is written on. Need lots more factual evidence.

You can disbelieve the article if you want to, but its not the only one. Soldiers have given similar testimonies of shooting unarmed civilians who didn't pose any threat to MSM in Israel too.

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Hodgemollar · 08/07/2025 12:07

Hemmo617 · 08/07/2025 09:53

They aren’t like us insofar as they voted to be governed by a proscribed terrorist organisation.

I’d suggests that’s a pretty big difference.

Are you not aware there are many ex members of terrorist paramilitaries who are in government in the UK?

BelleHathor · 08/07/2025 12:08

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 11:14

Now that you are at lecturing us with the region’s history, perhaps you should also mention Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem who was buddy buddy with Hitler and wanted to exterminate the Jews. Naice!

Sure, but you be sure to mention the Haavara Agreement where zionists collaborated with Nazis to facilitate the transfer of Jewish Germans to Palestine, effectively breaking the boycott of German goods and allowing the Nazi party to earn money.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/history/article/2023/08/06/90-years-ago-a-negotiated-transfer-led-over-50-000-german-jews-to-palestine_6082440_157.html

P.s. this was in the 1930s prior to the Mufti.

Ninety years ago a negotiated 'transfer' led more than 50,000 German Jews to Palestine

COLUMN. The August 1933 agreement between the Jewish Agency and the Nazi regime enabled some 53,000 Jews to emigrate from Germany to Palestine over the following six years.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/history/article/2023/08/06/90-years-ago-a-negotiated-transfer-led-over-50-000-german-jews-to-palestine_6082440_157.html

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 12:20

Shellyash · 08/07/2025 12:00

Thank you. I have never read such a cloudy/shady news article as this one, and am really surprised at the amount of folks on here who immediately take it as gospel. We saw the facts and proof of what Hamas did on 7th October with a full investigation. This article is not worth the paper it is written on. Need lots more factual evidence.

Honestly, I’ve noticed that when something ties into a person’s identity or worldview, they’ll believe just about anything that confirms what they want to be true. People seem to have lost the plot lately - whether it's Covid, Brexit, politics, or Israel, the level of partisanship is off the charts.

You can’t even get some folks to want to verify their information. They’re not interested in learning - they’re looking for validation.

As for this current conflict, I stopped treating anything I read as fact a long time ago. I wait for everything to be verified by multiple independent sources. The amount of disinformation flying around is on an almost industrial scale, and the media seems to suspend its usual journalistic standards when covering this topic.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/07/2025 12:28

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 11:55

No you come across as completely impartial @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend & not at all as someone who would be quick to believe the worst about Israel.

You can stop with your thinly veiled accusations, it is pointless engaging with you if you hold opinions like that of people.

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:38

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 12:30

Yes the 12,000 Palestinians fought alongside Palestinian Jews. They were all referred to as Palestinian, the Jewish fighters were referenced as Palestinian Jews as mentioned in the article that you have just linked. not sure what point you are trying to make?

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TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 12:40

BelleHathor · 07/07/2025 21:15

Yup, the desperation is palpable. The Hasbara is failing spectacularly(the extra $150 million budgeted not helping).

The attempt to rebrand as "if you really cared about Palestinians then you would xyz " after being called out as uncaring is not working.

P.s. No one needs "propaganda". Images and 4k videos are available 24/7, showing the inherent evil of repeatedly seeing children with their skulls blown open that ends any arguments of "But, but,but ...."

Hasbara?🤣 No love just normal people who see Islamic terrorists are responsible for the suffering of Gaza

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 12:40

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 12:20

Honestly, I’ve noticed that when something ties into a person’s identity or worldview, they’ll believe just about anything that confirms what they want to be true. People seem to have lost the plot lately - whether it's Covid, Brexit, politics, or Israel, the level of partisanship is off the charts.

You can’t even get some folks to want to verify their information. They’re not interested in learning - they’re looking for validation.

As for this current conflict, I stopped treating anything I read as fact a long time ago. I wait for everything to be verified by multiple independent sources. The amount of disinformation flying around is on an almost industrial scale, and the media seems to suspend its usual journalistic standards when covering this topic.

Yep but also kind of what you’d expect in a clear SM propaganda war of which this must be the first of it’s kind in history. Never before has a war been started that the aggressor knew they had absolutely no chance of winning militarily, while publicly declaring they wanted as much of their own people’s blood spilt as possible and they had no responsibility to their own citizens, has it?

You’d think people who didn’t have an insidious hatred of either side would be cautious about fake news and disinformation in those circumstances, and certainly not take the reports and allegations of a known terrorist organisation and it’s supporters as facts, wouldn’t you?

MixedMetals · 08/07/2025 12:44

The Israeli defence minister calls whistleblowers 'traitors' and accuses them of treason. The prime minister and some of his cabinet ministers have been threatening to make 'Breaking the Silence' illegal.

This is what breaking the silence have to say as to how they are treated The testimonies we publish hold a mirror before the face of Israeli society, and portray a very unpleasant image. Therefore it isn’t surprising that some public responses are extreme – ranging from ignoring testimonies, to complete denial, to violent intimidation and persecution.

The reactions here seem to align with the reactions breaking the silence say they receive in Israel, complete denial and ignoring the testimonies so I would well believe the rest.

Who can blame people for not wanting their name and face out there when that is the reception they receive?

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:46

I know some of you will still disregard but other soldiers who served in the same division said the same thing last year.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldier-tells-sky-news-troops-killing-gaza-civilians-with-aggressive-fire-rules/

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Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:47

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:46

I know some of you will still disregard but other soldiers who served in the same division said the same thing last year.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldier-tells-sky-news-troops-killing-gaza-civilians-with-aggressive-fire-rules/

His remarks matched those made by other soldiers in the division last year, as reported by the Haaretz daily in December and January, in which they criticized open-fire rules and the division commander, Brig. Gen. Yehuda Vach.

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Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 12:49

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:38

Yes the 12,000 Palestinians fought alongside Palestinian Jews. They were all referred to as Palestinian, the Jewish fighters were referenced as Palestinian Jews as mentioned in the article that you have just linked. not sure what point you are trying to make?

YOU made the point they served as Palestinians. They served as Palestinian ARABS at the very least although I stand by my assertion that the Arabs in the region did not start to collectively refer to themselves under the Palestinian identity they have today until Arafat created the ‘Palestinian cause’ in 1964.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-invention-of-the-palestinian-people/

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:51

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 12:49

YOU made the point they served as Palestinians. They served as Palestinian ARABS at the very least although I stand by my assertion that the Arabs in the region did not start to collectively refer to themselves under the Palestinian identity they have today until Arafat created the ‘Palestinian cause’ in 1964.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-invention-of-the-palestinian-people/

And the Jewish fighters served as PALESTINIAN JEWS. You can try and discredit or rewrite Palestinian identity as much as you want but it won't change anything.

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Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 12:58

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/07/2025 12:28

You can stop with your thinly veiled accusations, it is pointless engaging with you if you hold opinions like that of people.

Don’t then 🤷🏼‍♀️

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 13:09

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:47

His remarks matched those made by other soldiers in the division last year, as reported by the Haaretz daily in December and January, in which they criticized open-fire rules and the division commander, Brig. Gen. Yehuda Vach.

Ah Haaretz. That totally unbiased and truthful publication. Are we supposed to believe it all because it’s Israeli?

https://honestreporting.com/the-haaretz-killing-field-where-journalism-goes-to-die/

www.algemeiner.com/2016/01/25/haaretzs-owner-proves-paper-has-an-anti-israel-political-agenda/

https://x.com/Aizenberg55/status/1938964298258096544

The Haaretz Killing Field Where Journalism Goes to Die | HonestReporting

On June 27, Haaretz published an exposé claiming that "IDF officers and soldiers told they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution

https://honestreporting.com/the-haaretz-killing-field-where-journalism-goes-to-die/

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 13:18

You are trying to counteract Haaretz with honest reporting? That's laughable.

So the soldiers are all lying? Even though one of the commanders they are allegedly lying about according to you is a extremist psycho who ordered the demolition of a hospital in Gaza without the permission of the IDF lead?

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Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 13:22

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 12:51

And the Jewish fighters served as PALESTINIAN JEWS. You can try and discredit or rewrite Palestinian identity as much as you want but it won't change anything.

Sigh.

You brought it up by making this comment ‘Did you know that nearly 12,000 Palestinians voluntarily fought alongside the British against the Nazis?’

Obviously trying to conflate the Palestinians of today with the peoples known as from the region of Palestinian pre 1948 which aren’t the same as I don’t think any Palestinian today would regard a Jewish person as a Palestinian!

Actually it seems the previous article I quoted was as wrong it wasn’t 12,000 Arabs in the Palestine Regiment it was 4,000 and 10,000 Jews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Regiment

Palestine Regiment - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Regiment