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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 10:00

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza

Speaking in a rare on-camera interview with Sky News, the soldier said the criteria of opening fire on civilians shifted depending on the commander.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

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Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 10:56

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 09:25

I don’t confuse Jews and Israelis.
Our MPs are there to represent us.
All foreign stuff should go through the Foreign office.
The UK parliament should first of all look after the interests of the UK citizens, otherwise it looks like we are losing sovereignty.

Do you feel the same about the UK MPs who were elected on the pro-Palestine ticket?

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:06

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 09:57

Coming back to this thread, I think shooting at civilians is not acceptable.
Whoever does it should be stopped.
Starving people, putting them into concentration camps, mutilating children are crimes against humanity and war crimes.
These are not our values.
And yet, our government and parliament are doing nothing to stop it. Wonder why?

Hamas tortures civilians
Hamas murders dissenters
Hamas executes people without fair trial
Hamas has put suicide vests on children
Hamas has gang raped women
Hamas has strangled babies to death with their bare hands
Hamas has gone into nurseries and knifed a dozen toddlers to death

Do you think they "should be stopped"? And if so, how do you feel they "should be stopped" without a war?

This isn't mean to be goady, it is a moral question. You need to ask yourself the answer.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:07

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 10:56

Do you feel the same about the UK MPs who were elected on the pro-Palestine ticket?

Applying international laws is in our (UK) interest. So, what you call pro-Palestinian ticket are just calls for peace and fair resolution of the conflict within the norms of the international law.
Also, nobody is ever elected on just one issue, and what you mention is not a foreign influence. It’s the same as if there was another MP elected, openly talking about Israel’s interests first. It’s very different from FoI membership.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:10

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:06

Hamas tortures civilians
Hamas murders dissenters
Hamas executes people without fair trial
Hamas has put suicide vests on children
Hamas has gang raped women
Hamas has strangled babies to death with their bare hands
Hamas has gone into nurseries and knifed a dozen toddlers to death

Do you think they "should be stopped"? And if so, how do you feel they "should be stopped" without a war?

This isn't mean to be goady, it is a moral question. You need to ask yourself the answer.

Is this from the news you read?
It’s almost a match to Israel.
I thought they were proscribed in the UK and we don’t support them.. Why react differently to the same actions of our ‘ally’?

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 11:15

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:06

Hamas tortures civilians
Hamas murders dissenters
Hamas executes people without fair trial
Hamas has put suicide vests on children
Hamas has gang raped women
Hamas has strangled babies to death with their bare hands
Hamas has gone into nurseries and knifed a dozen toddlers to death

Do you think they "should be stopped"? And if so, how do you feel they "should be stopped" without a war?

This isn't mean to be goady, it is a moral question. You need to ask yourself the answer.

1,2,3 and 5 I agree, but can you please provide evidence n relation to items 4, 6 and 7 on your list. I had a look as I don't recall these, and I am coming up blank on evidence.

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 11:15

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:10

Is this from the news you read?
It’s almost a match to Israel.
I thought they were proscribed in the UK and we don’t support them.. Why react differently to the same actions of our ‘ally’?

Barking!

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:21

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:10

Is this from the news you read?
It’s almost a match to Israel.
I thought they were proscribed in the UK and we don’t support them.. Why react differently to the same actions of our ‘ally’?

So let me understand this correctly, you draw equivalence with Israel's actions and Hamas'?

(ignoring for the sake of my sanity that Israel has obviously done none of these things)

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:21

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 11:15

Barking!

Absolutely batshit!

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:24

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:21

Absolutely batshit!

Barking is in London.
Batshit is not. Is it in Israel?

TinklySnail · 09/07/2025 11:25

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 07:07

Israel never said they would stop after getting the hostages. Even their tactics never prioritise the safety of the hostages.

So you think that Hamas are right to not release the hostages?
Why do you think that Israel wouldn’t stop the assault on Gaza?

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 11:27

@ForgesOfEmpires

I'll ask you again, can you please provide evidence for the following claims

  • Hamas has put suicide vests on children
  • Hamas has strangled babies to death with their bare hands
  • Hamas has gone into nurseries and knifed a dozen toddlers to death

Also bear in mind how strict you are with the evidence you accept when it comes to claims of IDF barbarity. Is your evidence independent and verified enough that you'd accept it if it was claims against the IDF?

TinklySnail · 09/07/2025 11:28

Hodgemollar · 08/07/2025 19:36

Racism is the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

If you can’t understand that very simplistic definition I’m not engaging with you.

So where has anyone stated a belief that someone with a distinct characteristic is inferior or superior?

TinklySnail · 09/07/2025 11:30

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 08:44

I understand you would prefer our MPs be informed and influenced by friends of Israel, rather than by the UK civil servants.

I see it as a massive problem for the UK.

What’s the massive problem you are envisioning?

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:41

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 10:27

In other words, our representatives do not represent us in these matters.

It is a problem, we no longer seem to be an independent country.

We all read you loud and clear, so I think you are best responded to by quoting the Jerusalem Declaration on antisemitism which states:

What is particular in classic antisemitism is the idea that Jews are linked to the forces of evil. This stands at the core of many anti-Jewish fantasies, such as the idea of a Jewish conspiracy in which “the Jews” possess hidden power that they use to promote their own collective agenda at the expense of other people. This linkage between Jews and evil continues in the present: in the fantasy that “the Jews” control governments with a “hidden hand,” that they own the banks, control the media, act as “a state within a state,” and are responsible for spreading disease (such as Covid-19). All these features can be instrumentalized by different (and even antagonistic) political causes.

You are obsessed seemingly with the idea that Israel controls Britain, I can assure you, it doesn't, but such fantasies are indeed so common and pervasive throughout thousands of years of history that 370 of the world's top scholars agreed on a few really obvious signs of antisemitism, and you are sucked into one of them.

The truth is that Israel does not control our government. Whilst Britain (and indeed Europe) owes a great debt to Jews for many things, from centuries of pogrums and exiles to letting them be killed (knowingly) in the holocaust, to turning their boats away when they had nowhere to go - that debt cannot be repaid and my view personally is that all humanity owes to the sins of it's past is to ensure they are not repeated.

What is certainly disappointing from my perspective is that all these countries who agreed emphatically during the carving up of land at the end of the age of empires, that Jews deserved independence on a small part of their ancestral land - a tiny 0.02% of the land that was allocated to Arabs - that they pretty much from day one did absolutely fuck all to ensure they were able to actually live in it.

Actually, after withdrawing from British Mandate Palestine, when the Arab armies attacked the fledging state comprised of refugees and Holocaust survivors, Israel stood alone. Worse than alone. Britain enforced a UN arms embargo that severely restricted Israel's access to weapons, but it continued supplying arms to Arab states! British officers even fought for the Arabs!

And while I am not one to believe in reparations (I am pragmatic and think people should get on with it) it's a great shame that looking around the country Jews are routinely attacked, abused, harassed, discriminated against and nobody does a damn thing, yet again. The rules that apply for everyone else, simply do not count for Jewish people.

And to add insult to injury, they have to listen to complete idiots on the internet recycling ridiculous conspiracies about Jews Israel controlling the government. I mean, seriously, do you actually believe that the 400 generations before you were wrong about evil Jews controlling the world but this time, you have caught them read handed? That the Nazis weren't wrong per se, they were just 90 years too early to really catch them at it?

For clarity:

Israel has been a valuable and strategically significant ally for Britain since its founding, especially in the realms of intelligence, security, technology, and trade. The UK and Israel enjoy a strong intelligence-sharing relationship, particularly in counterterrorism and cybersecurity. Israeli intelligence has played a crucial role in helping Britain thwart terror plots and monitor extremist networks.

In a world facing rising threats from jihadist groups and hostile states like Iran, Israel’s position in the Middle East and its advanced intelligence capabilities give it a unique vantage point from which Britain directly benefits. They have saved lives. They have helped keep YOU and YOUR FAMILY safe from the types of people who crossed their border on 7 October and would very much like to do the same to you.

.As of 2023, UK-Israel trade was worth over £7 billion annually, with Israel providing the UK with key exports in pharmaceuticals, technology, agricultural innovation, and cybersecurity. British companies also invest heavily in Israel’s thriving tech sector, which has earned the country a reputation as the “Start-Up Nation.” Post-Brexit, Britain signed a continuity trade agreement with Israel and is negotiating a new, expanded trade deal to deepen commercial ties.

In science and innovation, the relationship is especially strong. Israeli companies and research institutions collaborate with British universities and firms in areas like medical technology, artificial intelligence, defence systems, and climate innovation. Israel’s cutting-edge research and development capabilities have supported British advances in medicine, military systems, and more.

Strategically, Israel provides Britain with a stable democratic ally in a volatile region. While many Middle Eastern regimes are authoritarian or unstable, Israel shares Britain’s values in terms of democratic governance, the rule of law, and a market economy. This makes diplomatic cooperation easier and more reliable, especially in navigating regional challenges such as Iranian aggression, the Syrian conflict, or counterterrorism.

In short, the UK benefits from its alliance with Israel through enhanced national security, strong economic and technological cooperation, and a trusted strategic partner in the Middle East.

The UK does NOT benefit in any of these ways from Hamas.

And that is why they are allies. Not because Jews have some secret plot behind closed doors, or some hidden hand to promote their secret agenda of world domination. Having studied this issue in depth for many years now, my conclusion is that - while Israel has different political factions and people with a broad range of ideas just like Britain, the overarching desire they have is to just be left the fuck alone.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:56

@ForgesOfEmpires
you keep bringing Jews in.
I don’t.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:57

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 11:27

@ForgesOfEmpires

I'll ask you again, can you please provide evidence for the following claims

  • Hamas has put suicide vests on children
  • Hamas has strangled babies to death with their bare hands
  • Hamas has gone into nurseries and knifed a dozen toddlers to death

Also bear in mind how strict you are with the evidence you accept when it comes to claims of IDF barbarity. Is your evidence independent and verified enough that you'd accept it if it was claims against the IDF?

Hard to believe you are running PR for Hamas, but here we are!

I believe Hamas strangled the Bibas children to death because it kidnapped them, video taped themselves kidnapping them, at gunpoint, and then returned their dead bodies.

I believe Hamas attacked a childcare centre (my apologies was not a kindergarten) as they also videotaped this and the internet has photos everywhere of the blood all over the room.

I believe Hamas used child suicide bombers because it was widely reported, including by the UN and Human Right organisations which are generally biased against Israel.

I have never seen any Israeli go into Palestinian territory and video tape themselves kidnapping someone's children and returning the bodies later.

I have never seen a video of the IDF going into a childcare centre and leaving with images of blood all over the walls and floor and no children left.

I have never seen a report from the UN that Israel is using suicide bombs, much less attaching them to children.

I think you are a concerning person to be honest, so from here on it, I won't be responding to you. You should be utterly ashamed.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2025 11:58

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 10:27

In other words, our representatives do not represent us in these matters.

It is a problem, we no longer seem to be an independent country.

Our representatives do represent some of us but not all of us as people have differing opinions on the war in Gaza as these threads show.

My opinion is much the same as that expressed by @dairydebris above.

"Some of Israel's actions have gone too far but basically we support their right to self defense and self determination in her own state".

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 12:00

TinklySnail · 09/07/2025 11:25

So you think that Hamas are right to not release the hostages?
Why do you think that Israel wouldn’t stop the assault on Gaza?

Israel said so. No assumptions on my part.

How do you feel about soldiers shooting at a crowd of hungry desperate civilians?

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:05

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 11:56

@ForgesOfEmpires
you keep bringing Jews in.
I don’t.

😂

Yes, the Jerusalem declaration thought of that too. It goes on to say:

Portraying Israel as the ultimate evil or grossly exaggerating its actual influence can be a coded way of racializing and stigmatizing Jews.

What is going on here is that you have a particular problem with influence of the Jewish state on your government, which you believe is so pervasive, that "we no longer seem to be an independent country".

As I have pointed out to you, that is objectively ridiculous as Britain gets vast benefits from it's relationship with Israel.

Your fantasy, is absolutely classic antisemitism that has been around for thousands of years and saying you are speaking about the Jewish state rather than Jews more generally is so transparent.

What I will say in your defence is that every person I have ever met who holds these views is blithely unaware they are being antisemitic. From my studies and reading statements and wording from thousands of Nazis and Nazi collaborators, I can assure you they were also blithely unaware.

They didn't think they were antisemites. They just thought Jews had too much money, power and influence and needing knocking down a peg or two. They thought Jews were working on some agenda that was damaging to them.

This was of source all complete fantasy.

No, I am not calling you a Nazi.

But yes, I think you are engaging in classic antisemitism and you are not aware of doing it, even when I copy and paste the definition to you, you are still not able to see it and are rationalising it in your head as "she's the one bringing Jews into it!"

Sigh

Martymcfly24 · 09/07/2025 12:14

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:57

Hard to believe you are running PR for Hamas, but here we are!

I believe Hamas strangled the Bibas children to death because it kidnapped them, video taped themselves kidnapping them, at gunpoint, and then returned their dead bodies.

I believe Hamas attacked a childcare centre (my apologies was not a kindergarten) as they also videotaped this and the internet has photos everywhere of the blood all over the room.

I believe Hamas used child suicide bombers because it was widely reported, including by the UN and Human Right organisations which are generally biased against Israel.

I have never seen any Israeli go into Palestinian territory and video tape themselves kidnapping someone's children and returning the bodies later.

I have never seen a video of the IDF going into a childcare centre and leaving with images of blood all over the walls and floor and no children left.

I have never seen a report from the UN that Israel is using suicide bombs, much less attaching them to children.

I think you are a concerning person to be honest, so from here on it, I won't be responding to you. You should be utterly ashamed.

@ForgesOfEmpires can you link to information about the kindergarten attack by Hamas.
That's absolutely vile behavior. Was it in Israel?

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:19

Martymcfly24 · 09/07/2025 12:14

@ForgesOfEmpires can you link to information about the kindergarten attack by Hamas.
That's absolutely vile behavior. Was it in Israel?

Admittedly I don't recall the details but there was videos and images of the room which was clearly a daycare centre covered in strewn children's books and toys with the place soaked in blood. I haven't researched into it. the identities of the children killed that day are anonymous so I can't find specifics, but it was a horrifying video and image that stuck with me

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 12:20

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:05

😂

Yes, the Jerusalem declaration thought of that too. It goes on to say:

Portraying Israel as the ultimate evil or grossly exaggerating its actual influence can be a coded way of racializing and stigmatizing Jews.

What is going on here is that you have a particular problem with influence of the Jewish state on your government, which you believe is so pervasive, that "we no longer seem to be an independent country".

As I have pointed out to you, that is objectively ridiculous as Britain gets vast benefits from it's relationship with Israel.

Your fantasy, is absolutely classic antisemitism that has been around for thousands of years and saying you are speaking about the Jewish state rather than Jews more generally is so transparent.

What I will say in your defence is that every person I have ever met who holds these views is blithely unaware they are being antisemitic. From my studies and reading statements and wording from thousands of Nazis and Nazi collaborators, I can assure you they were also blithely unaware.

They didn't think they were antisemites. They just thought Jews had too much money, power and influence and needing knocking down a peg or two. They thought Jews were working on some agenda that was damaging to them.

This was of source all complete fantasy.

No, I am not calling you a Nazi.

But yes, I think you are engaging in classic antisemitism and you are not aware of doing it, even when I copy and paste the definition to you, you are still not able to see it and are rationalising it in your head as "she's the one bringing Jews into it!"

Sigh

Any proof of “gross exaggeration”
😂😂

ETA: no, I don't find any of it funny. The emoji is just a reponse to the emoji in the post.

And also - no opinion on what Palestinians are subjected to now? Just denial? I won't engage with denials.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:21

Martymcfly24 · 09/07/2025 12:14

@ForgesOfEmpires can you link to information about the kindergarten attack by Hamas.
That's absolutely vile behavior. Was it in Israel?

In managed to find this which is one of the images I saw, please click with care as it's quite horrible

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771624

Blinken: Shockingly many have forgotten Hamas brutality on October 7 | The Jerusalem Post

“This right to self-defense, indeed this obligation to self-defense, belongs to every nation.  No country could or should tolerate the slaughter of innocents, ” Blinken said.

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771624

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 12:35

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 11:21

So let me understand this correctly, you draw equivalence with Israel's actions and Hamas'?

(ignoring for the sake of my sanity that Israel has obviously done none of these things)

You don't see the execution of 15 first responders as
'IDF executes people without trial' ?

Then we live in different worlds. Enjoy yours.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 09/07/2025 12:40

So the strategy to combat the reports from IDF soldiers where they talk about soldiers killing children for sport, shooting people in the backs of the head for not walking fast enough, breaking the limbs of a toddler and repeatedly stomping on its chest etc… is “But Hamas” “But Anti Semitism”.

I’m sorry but there is no defense for this, no script that Israel or anyone can write, no internet army big enough to whitewash these crimes. All defences are blown out the window when a country’s own soldiers are saying they’ve seen war crimes, they’ve seen children brutally murdered, they’ve witnessed the dehumanisation of the civilian population, they have seen people shot and blown up on a whim.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians
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