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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 10:00

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza

Speaking in a rare on-camera interview with Sky News, the soldier said the criteria of opening fire on civilians shifted depending on the commander.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

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TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 19:22

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 19:21

You are right, I don’t know and don’t care what you think.
I just passionately (but from the comfort of my home) protest your misdirections of current causes of Palestinian suffering.

Israel has choices.

It keeps making wrong ones to keep the current coalition of ghouls in power.

Are you Muslim? For transparency, I am not.

Hodgemollar · 08/07/2025 19:24

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 19:22

Why are you appalled?

You find it surprising that someone is appalled that a racist comment is allowed to stand?

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 19:27

Hodgemollar · 08/07/2025 19:24

You find it surprising that someone is appalled that a racist comment is allowed to stand?

I’m asking why you are appalled. Can you point out the racism please?
All I see is someone’s perspective of an Islamic run regime

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 19:29

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 19:22

Are you Muslim? For transparency, I am not.

What has that got to do with anything?
We share the same biology regardless of ideology

Hodgemollar · 08/07/2025 19:36

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 19:27

I’m asking why you are appalled. Can you point out the racism please?
All I see is someone’s perspective of an Islamic run regime

Racism is the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

If you can’t understand that very simplistic definition I’m not engaging with you.

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 19:41

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 16:30

Fair play. I’d like anyone who goes against Britain to be classed as treasonous too.
Bit like Action Palestine.
Although it appears many pro Palestine people don’t care about ‘hurty words’ and red paint. That’s until someone criticises their belief. Then it’s definitely a hate crime.

I would actually support you in the idea of removing any foreign influence in British politics and power.

So, no friends of Nauru, Andorra, or other “friends of “ should be anywhere close to Parliament.

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 20:15

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 19:29

What has that got to do with anything?
We share the same biology regardless of ideology

It’s mad how those same pro Palestine posters are quick to ridicule anyone triggered by ‘hurty words’ yet can’t stomach a view that is against their beliefs.
As we have seen from those who chant death to IDF, biology doesn’t count for anything

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 20:30

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 20:15

It’s mad how those same pro Palestine posters are quick to ridicule anyone triggered by ‘hurty words’ yet can’t stomach a view that is against their beliefs.
As we have seen from those who chant death to IDF, biology doesn’t count for anything

Are you suggesting shouting and killing are on the same level?

They are not.
First, Israel should be stopped on its extremist murderous path.
Then we should sop people shouting death to (insert). But those slogans might then stop on their own.

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 20:54

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 20:30

Are you suggesting shouting and killing are on the same level?

They are not.
First, Israel should be stopped on its extremist murderous path.
Then we should sop people shouting death to (insert). But those slogans might then stop on their own.

So what about Hamas? Israel gets its hostages back and they stop.
What then. How do you propose getting rid of Hamas?
Ir do you feel Hamas is an appropriate government for Gaza?

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 21:35

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 19:41

I would actually support you in the idea of removing any foreign influence in British politics and power.

So, no friends of Nauru, Andorra, or other “friends of “ should be anywhere close to Parliament.

Saying “no foreign influence in British politics” lumps together actual hostile actors (like China or Russia) with democratic allies.

Every democracy has “friends of” groups -Friends of Israel, Friends of Cyprus, Friends of Ukraine, etc. They're cross-party groups that support trade, diplomacy, or shared values. They’re public and accountable - not shadowy.

Diplomacy and cooperation keeps the world turning and oftentimes keeps people safe.

The real issue isn’t “foreign influence” in general -it’s covert, corrupt, or malign interference. And that’s not the same as open support for a democratic ally.

Also - let’s be honest - people only ever seem to bring this up when it’s about Israel or Jewish MPs. No one bats an eyelid at “Friends of Ireland” or “Friends of Ukraine.”

I think people have fallen foul of some unfortunate and fairly classic tropes about Jews controlling the world. The truth is that Israel is a very valuable ally and terror groups funded by Iran are simply not.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 07:05

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 21:35

Saying “no foreign influence in British politics” lumps together actual hostile actors (like China or Russia) with democratic allies.

Every democracy has “friends of” groups -Friends of Israel, Friends of Cyprus, Friends of Ukraine, etc. They're cross-party groups that support trade, diplomacy, or shared values. They’re public and accountable - not shadowy.

Diplomacy and cooperation keeps the world turning and oftentimes keeps people safe.

The real issue isn’t “foreign influence” in general -it’s covert, corrupt, or malign interference. And that’s not the same as open support for a democratic ally.

Also - let’s be honest - people only ever seem to bring this up when it’s about Israel or Jewish MPs. No one bats an eyelid at “Friends of Ireland” or “Friends of Ukraine.”

I think people have fallen foul of some unfortunate and fairly classic tropes about Jews controlling the world. The truth is that Israel is a very valuable ally and terror groups funded by Iran are simply not.

Your emphasis on “democratic” is misplaced.
Democracy is about internal policies. Nobody voted for Iraq invasion, or any other one.
So, the ‘democratic foreign influence’ is just the foreign influence.
We have the foreign office to deal with our allies. When they want to befriend our MPs - that’s just meddling. It’s corrupting and should stop.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 07:07

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 20:54

So what about Hamas? Israel gets its hostages back and they stop.
What then. How do you propose getting rid of Hamas?
Ir do you feel Hamas is an appropriate government for Gaza?

Israel never said they would stop after getting the hostages. Even their tactics never prioritise the safety of the hostages.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 08:30

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 07:05

Your emphasis on “democratic” is misplaced.
Democracy is about internal policies. Nobody voted for Iraq invasion, or any other one.
So, the ‘democratic foreign influence’ is just the foreign influence.
We have the foreign office to deal with our allies. When they want to befriend our MPs - that’s just meddling. It’s corrupting and should stop.

I don't agree.

I think our MPs are quite often completely clueless. By that I mean they're required to understand a broad range of topics they're woefully under qualified for.

In the absence of first hand information and diplomatic relations with our allies, all their information would come from the media and a handful of civil servants.

I'd far rather they were invited to countries amd got to know first hand about them. It's a good opportunity for education.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 08:44

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 08:30

I don't agree.

I think our MPs are quite often completely clueless. By that I mean they're required to understand a broad range of topics they're woefully under qualified for.

In the absence of first hand information and diplomatic relations with our allies, all their information would come from the media and a handful of civil servants.

I'd far rather they were invited to countries amd got to know first hand about them. It's a good opportunity for education.

I understand you would prefer our MPs be informed and influenced by friends of Israel, rather than by the UK civil servants.

I see it as a massive problem for the UK.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 09:07

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 08:44

I understand you would prefer our MPs be informed and influenced by friends of Israel, rather than by the UK civil servants.

I see it as a massive problem for the UK.

Again, you are only focussing on Israel. The reason you have a problem with this is because you are buying into the trope of Jews controlling governments. What they actually do is invite the MPs to visit, raise awareness on local issues and so on. And they lobby, yes, but it isn't sinister.

During India’s devastating second wave of COVID-19 in 2021, Conservative Friends of India played a key role in mobilising UK support. They lobbied the government to send urgent medical aid, including ventilators and oxygen equipment, and coordinated with British Indian doctors and community leaders to raise awareness and funds. Their efforts helped fast-track life-saving assistance to Indian hospitals and strengthened UK–India relations at a critical time - an example of a "Friends of" group making a real humanitarian impact.

This direct contact allows our MPs not just to be informed and educated, first-hand on really important issues affecting the world.

Who do you think our civil servants are? Genuis wizards with a lifetime of travel and diplomacy under their belt? No, most of our civil servants are generally young, never had another job, never been to any of these countries and if you are discussing junior MPs they don't even have access to those.

Without “Friends of” groups, MPs would rely primarily on their own staff and a few other formal and informal sources for advice and insight. They are usually young, stretched thin, and generalists - not specialists in foreign policy or complex geopolitical conflicts.

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 09:25

I don’t confuse Jews and Israelis.
Our MPs are there to represent us.
All foreign stuff should go through the Foreign office.
The UK parliament should first of all look after the interests of the UK citizens, otherwise it looks like we are losing sovereignty.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 09:36

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 09:25

I don’t confuse Jews and Israelis.
Our MPs are there to represent us.
All foreign stuff should go through the Foreign office.
The UK parliament should first of all look after the interests of the UK citizens, otherwise it looks like we are losing sovereignty.

What do you mean "all foreign stuff should go through the foreign office"? Are you saying you think our parliament should only vote on and act on domestic matters?

What do you mean "Our MPs are there to represent us" - do you not think we require representation internationally?

When you say "look after the interests of UK citizens", do those interests include trade, global peace, international stability, safety from terrorism, access to food, medicine, technology and so on?

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 09:57

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 09:36

What do you mean "all foreign stuff should go through the foreign office"? Are you saying you think our parliament should only vote on and act on domestic matters?

What do you mean "Our MPs are there to represent us" - do you not think we require representation internationally?

When you say "look after the interests of UK citizens", do those interests include trade, global peace, international stability, safety from terrorism, access to food, medicine, technology and so on?

Coming back to this thread, I think shooting at civilians is not acceptable.
Whoever does it should be stopped.
Starving people, putting them into concentration camps, mutilating children are crimes against humanity and war crimes.
These are not our values.
And yet, our government and parliament are doing nothing to stop it. Wonder why?

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2025 10:04

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 09:57

Coming back to this thread, I think shooting at civilians is not acceptable.
Whoever does it should be stopped.
Starving people, putting them into concentration camps, mutilating children are crimes against humanity and war crimes.
These are not our values.
And yet, our government and parliament are doing nothing to stop it. Wonder why?

Because they see things differently to you.

They don’t believe the IDF have a policy of targeting civilians
They don’t believe Israel is attempting to starve civilians
They don’t believe they are trying to mutilate children
It’s unknown whether the camps will be even be built let alone how they would operate but they certainly wouldn’t be allowed to be “concentration camps” like the ones the Nazis put Jews into.

It seems hopeful at the moment that a ceasefire can be achieved in the next few weeks.

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 10:10

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2025 10:04

Because they see things differently to you.

They don’t believe the IDF have a policy of targeting civilians
They don’t believe Israel is attempting to starve civilians
They don’t believe they are trying to mutilate children
It’s unknown whether the camps will be even be built let alone how they would operate but they certainly wouldn’t be allowed to be “concentration camps” like the ones the Nazis put Jews into.

It seems hopeful at the moment that a ceasefire can be achieved in the next few weeks.

They might see things differently but its not true that they don't fully believe that Israel have not breached international law and were starving civilians with their illegal blockade. That is why they suspended the trade treaty and have threatened further action, which in my opinion is too little too late.

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Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 10:11

If people really cared about Israel, wouldn't they want allied countries to pressure them to stop carrying out heinous crimes which will in the long run hurt Israel more than the Palestinians which they are inflicting it on.

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Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 10:16

France strongly opposed our involvement in the Iraq war. They were very vocal about it both publicly and privately. They openly questioned our legitimacy for waging a war on Iraq over the imaginary WMD. Many government officials were not happy about this but they did it because we are an allied country, not because they hate us.

I think governments have the responsibility to speak up and do what they can when they see countries which they are allied with, carrying out grave crimes or speaking of their plans to carry out grave crimes.

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izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 10:27

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2025 10:04

Because they see things differently to you.

They don’t believe the IDF have a policy of targeting civilians
They don’t believe Israel is attempting to starve civilians
They don’t believe they are trying to mutilate children
It’s unknown whether the camps will be even be built let alone how they would operate but they certainly wouldn’t be allowed to be “concentration camps” like the ones the Nazis put Jews into.

It seems hopeful at the moment that a ceasefire can be achieved in the next few weeks.

In other words, our representatives do not represent us in these matters.

It is a problem, we no longer seem to be an independent country.

dairydebris · 09/07/2025 10:34

izthiszeend · 09/07/2025 10:27

In other words, our representatives do not represent us in these matters.

It is a problem, we no longer seem to be an independent country.

Honestly I feel they represent me pretty well.

Some of Israel's actions have gone too far but basically we support their right to self defense and self determination in her own state.