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Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 10:00

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza

Speaking in a rare on-camera interview with Sky News, the soldier said the criteria of opening fire on civilians shifted depending on the commander.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

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Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 13:25

Whatsinanamehey · 08/07/2025 13:18

You are trying to counteract Haaretz with honest reporting? That's laughable.

So the soldiers are all lying? Even though one of the commanders they are allegedly lying about according to you is a extremist psycho who ordered the demolition of a hospital in Gaza without the permission of the IDF lead?

Got any examples of Honest Reporting not being honest?

The disinformation bias was the entire reason it come about.

honestreporting.com/the-photo-that-started-it-all/

Quite compelling IMO.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 13:34

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 12:40

Yep but also kind of what you’d expect in a clear SM propaganda war of which this must be the first of it’s kind in history. Never before has a war been started that the aggressor knew they had absolutely no chance of winning militarily, while publicly declaring they wanted as much of their own people’s blood spilt as possible and they had no responsibility to their own citizens, has it?

You’d think people who didn’t have an insidious hatred of either side would be cautious about fake news and disinformation in those circumstances, and certainly not take the reports and allegations of a known terrorist organisation and it’s supporters as facts, wouldn’t you?

No, when you put it like that, nothing has ever occurred like that before. I think there's a healthy dose of antisemitism involved in the mix. I am not sure people can see how they're behaving as they're prejudiced.

SisterTeatime · 08/07/2025 13:38

I totally agree, and I think many people do not understand antisemitism. As I said upthread, it’s really embedded in Western (Christian, essentially) culture - but because we now live in a secular society, it’s poorly understood.

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 13:45

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 13:34

No, when you put it like that, nothing has ever occurred like that before. I think there's a healthy dose of antisemitism involved in the mix. I am not sure people can see how they're behaving as they're prejudiced.

I agree. I don't think they realise they are being antisemitic as they see themselves as people who are against racism.

Prejudice is hard to beat - I personally think we all have unconscious bias and it's better to be aware of your own than try to deny you have any.

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 13:50

Same old excuses and accusations.

While people in Gaza keep being starved and murdered daily.

A reminder: nothing, absolutely nothing justifies what Israel is doing to Palestinians.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/07/2025 14:08

The rights of Jews and of Palestinians to live without persecution are not in binary opposition, they are the same human rights and their violation demand the same protest

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 14:16

BelleHathor · 08/07/2025 12:08

Sure, but you be sure to mention the Haavara Agreement where zionists collaborated with Nazis to facilitate the transfer of Jewish Germans to Palestine, effectively breaking the boycott of German goods and allowing the Nazi party to earn money.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/history/article/2023/08/06/90-years-ago-a-negotiated-transfer-led-over-50-000-german-jews-to-palestine_6082440_157.html

P.s. this was in the 1930s prior to the Mufti.

What exactly is your point with mentioning this random guy?
He transferred 60.000 Jews from Nazi Germany to mandatory Palestine, thus saving that many lives. He never collaborated with anyone to exterminate Palestinians. In fact he was a moderate Zionist who believed that Jews and Arabs could live peacefully together.
Why post this article about him here?

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 14:42

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/07/2025 14:08

The rights of Jews and of Palestinians to live without persecution are not in binary opposition, they are the same human rights and their violation demand the same protest

Can i ask then why nobody is protesting Hamas?

Hamas deny Palestinians every human and civil right that exists.

So why is nobody protesting Hamas?

BelleHathor · 08/07/2025 14:52

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 14:16

What exactly is your point with mentioning this random guy?
He transferred 60.000 Jews from Nazi Germany to mandatory Palestine, thus saving that many lives. He never collaborated with anyone to exterminate Palestinians. In fact he was a moderate Zionist who believed that Jews and Arabs could live peacefully together.
Why post this article about him here?

It wasn't just one guy, it was a co-ordinated official agreement between zionists and Nazi Germany between 1933 to 1939.

There's even a commemorative coin.

The point of mentioning it was to counter your suggestion that Palestinians via the Mufti collaborated with the Nazis. An argument that has been repeated over the last 20 months as some sort of soft justification of what's happening.

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 15:13

BelleHathor · 08/07/2025 14:52

It wasn't just one guy, it was a co-ordinated official agreement between zionists and Nazi Germany between 1933 to 1939.

There's even a commemorative coin.

The point of mentioning it was to counter your suggestion that Palestinians via the Mufti collaborated with the Nazis. An argument that has been repeated over the last 20 months as some sort of soft justification of what's happening.

Sorry but there’s a massive difference between the two collaborations. I break it down to you:

  1. Grand mufti of Jerusalem wants the extermination of the Jews, so collaborates with Hitler to hatch a plan to achieve this.
  2. Jewish guy collaborates with Hitler out of desperation and necessity, to transfer 60.000 Jews out of Germany, thus saving them. During all these negotiations it is nowhere on his mind to exterminate the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter.

COMPRENDE?

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 15:17

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 15:13

Sorry but there’s a massive difference between the two collaborations. I break it down to you:

  1. Grand mufti of Jerusalem wants the extermination of the Jews, so collaborates with Hitler to hatch a plan to achieve this.
  2. Jewish guy collaborates with Hitler out of desperation and necessity, to transfer 60.000 Jews out of Germany, thus saving them. During all these negotiations it is nowhere on his mind to exterminate the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter.

COMPRENDE?

Shocking that you had to lay that out but 👏

BelleHathor · 08/07/2025 15:31

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 15:13

Sorry but there’s a massive difference between the two collaborations. I break it down to you:

  1. Grand mufti of Jerusalem wants the extermination of the Jews, so collaborates with Hitler to hatch a plan to achieve this.
  2. Jewish guy collaborates with Hitler out of desperation and necessity, to transfer 60.000 Jews out of Germany, thus saving them. During all these negotiations it is nowhere on his mind to exterminate the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter.

COMPRENDE?

Except for you are repeating a lie that Netanyahu made in 2015 and subsequently retracted (thanks for doing it more than once).

One actually happened, the Haavara Agreement the other is a lie often repeated as justification for what is happening to Palestinians.

https://theconversation.com/netanyahus-narrative-how-the-israeli-pm-is-rewriting-history-to-suit-himself-49759

Netanyahu’s narrative: how the Israeli PM is rewriting history to suit himself

The Israeli PM’s ‘big lie’ about Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was of a piece with Netanyahu’s history of making false and misleading claims.

https://theconversation.com/netanyahus-narrative-how-the-israeli-pm-is-rewriting-history-to-suit-himself-49759

ElCorazon · 08/07/2025 16:01

BelleHathor · 08/07/2025 15:31

Except for you are repeating a lie that Netanyahu made in 2015 and subsequently retracted (thanks for doing it more than once).

One actually happened, the Haavara Agreement the other is a lie often repeated as justification for what is happening to Palestinians.

https://theconversation.com/netanyahus-narrative-how-the-israeli-pm-is-rewriting-history-to-suit-himself-49759

Excuse me but I never said that it was the grand mufti’s original idea to exterminate the Jews. It was very likely the idea of Hitler and his henchmen. But the mufti joined in and agreed with it.
Don’t put words into my mouth. I think you are being desperate here to portray the Israelis as the devils incarnate, and the Palestinians as innocent victims.

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 16:01

SisterTeatime · 08/07/2025 13:38

I totally agree, and I think many people do not understand antisemitism. As I said upthread, it’s really embedded in Western (Christian, essentially) culture - but because we now live in a secular society, it’s poorly understood.

WTF? So you are blaming Christians for the rise in antisemitism? Is that what you are saying?

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 16:30

MixedMetals · 08/07/2025 12:44

The Israeli defence minister calls whistleblowers 'traitors' and accuses them of treason. The prime minister and some of his cabinet ministers have been threatening to make 'Breaking the Silence' illegal.

This is what breaking the silence have to say as to how they are treated The testimonies we publish hold a mirror before the face of Israeli society, and portray a very unpleasant image. Therefore it isn’t surprising that some public responses are extreme – ranging from ignoring testimonies, to complete denial, to violent intimidation and persecution.

The reactions here seem to align with the reactions breaking the silence say they receive in Israel, complete denial and ignoring the testimonies so I would well believe the rest.

Who can blame people for not wanting their name and face out there when that is the reception they receive?

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Fair play. I’d like anyone who goes against Britain to be classed as treasonous too.
Bit like Action Palestine.
Although it appears many pro Palestine people don’t care about ‘hurty words’ and red paint. That’s until someone criticises their belief. Then it’s definitely a hate crime.

SisterTeatime · 08/07/2025 17:32

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 16:01

WTF? So you are blaming Christians for the rise in antisemitism? Is that what you are saying?

Absolutely not. I’m saying that many people repeat antisemitic talking points without knowing their origin and nature.

Christians were originally responsible for the blood libel that we see mutating through the centuries.

I would bet that most British people have no idea that Jews were once expelled from England altogether. They don’t know that Jews were barred from many - most - professions in Europe. They don’t know why Jews became so prominent in banking and finance.

In Western Europe we remain steeped in Christian culture, including Christian prejudice, often without recognising it.

You don’t have to read a lot of English literature to see that antisemitism is woven throughout our culture, right up to the 1930s and even beyond.

It’s fertile soil for the successful
growth of Islamic antisemitism with the rise of Islam in the West along with ideas about anticolonialism and the like.

Personally, I have respect for all the world’s great religions, so please nobody come at me saying I’m Islamophobic, I’m not.

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 17:51

SisterTeatime · 08/07/2025 17:32

Absolutely not. I’m saying that many people repeat antisemitic talking points without knowing their origin and nature.

Christians were originally responsible for the blood libel that we see mutating through the centuries.

I would bet that most British people have no idea that Jews were once expelled from England altogether. They don’t know that Jews were barred from many - most - professions in Europe. They don’t know why Jews became so prominent in banking and finance.

In Western Europe we remain steeped in Christian culture, including Christian prejudice, often without recognising it.

You don’t have to read a lot of English literature to see that antisemitism is woven throughout our culture, right up to the 1930s and even beyond.

It’s fertile soil for the successful
growth of Islamic antisemitism with the rise of Islam in the West along with ideas about anticolonialism and the like.

Personally, I have respect for all the world’s great religions, so please nobody come at me saying I’m Islamophobic, I’m not.

You know that Islamophobia suggests an irrational fear of Islam.
To challenge Islam and its teachings is not Islamophobia.
To feel Islam is a hateful religion is not Islamophobia.
We need to stop pandering to specific religious groups and understand that the fact antisemitism is rising in the uk is not because of those terrible working class patriots.

SisterTeatime · 08/07/2025 17:59

I agree @TinklySnail. It’s the well-meaning leftist liberals who are most vulnerable to the kind of antisemitism I am talking about. This is obvious when you look at the people on the marches. I am saying that there are plenty of people repeating antisemitic talking points without knowing it. Of course, there are also plenty who are well aware of what they’re doing.

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 18:14

SisterTeatime · 08/07/2025 17:59

I agree @TinklySnail. It’s the well-meaning leftist liberals who are most vulnerable to the kind of antisemitism I am talking about. This is obvious when you look at the people on the marches. I am saying that there are plenty of people repeating antisemitic talking points without knowing it. Of course, there are also plenty who are well aware of what they’re doing.

Yes I agree. It’s not a good thing to blindly believe in one cause and deny another perspective.
Unfortunately the uk and other nations have become inherently blind to objective reality.
Let’s hope the few of us who believe in actual peace and harmony will be heard.
We all want the war to end, the only way it will is to unite against Hamas rule and real talk about ending the hatred that exists against Israel as an independent nation.

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 18:20

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 18:14

Yes I agree. It’s not a good thing to blindly believe in one cause and deny another perspective.
Unfortunately the uk and other nations have become inherently blind to objective reality.
Let’s hope the few of us who believe in actual peace and harmony will be heard.
We all want the war to end, the only way it will is to unite against Hamas rule and real talk about ending the hatred that exists against Israel as an independent nation.

I’m sorry you still believe those drones, tanks, machine and sniper guns that kill Palestinians are hamas. Those men and women in uniforms who prevent food and medicine coming into Gaza, they too are not hamas.
So, protesting hamas is not going to stop mass deaths and starvation.

sellotapechicken · 08/07/2025 18:45

Hodgemollar · 08/07/2025 07:30

This is the most beyond stupid prejudice ridden comment I’ve seen in a while.
“Jews can make a success out of nothing” and Arabs are dumb and would run a county to the ground “it’s in their nature”.

Fuck me what a nasty outlook of the world.

Talk about othering and dehumanising.

Jewish people are not smarter or better than Muslims or anyone else for that matter. They aren’t some sort of master race that get to decide who else is good enough.

There is a word for your post and it’s called racism.

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I’m appalled this post is still up

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 18:53

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 18:20

I’m sorry you still believe those drones, tanks, machine and sniper guns that kill Palestinians are hamas. Those men and women in uniforms who prevent food and medicine coming into Gaza, they too are not hamas.
So, protesting hamas is not going to stop mass deaths and starvation.

You’re not sorry at all are you? You’re sitting there in the comfort of your home bleating on about how protesting against Hamas is futile.
That is your opinion and respectfully I disagree.
It’s about unity and ridding Gaza of Hamas. Yet you are still reluctant to admit that Hamas were the direct cause of the current conflict.🤷‍♀️

Tooblondetooyoung · 08/07/2025 18:59

sellotapechicken · 08/07/2025 18:45

I’m appalled this post is still up

I'm glad it's up because it shows the person's racism up for all to see.

izthiszeend · 08/07/2025 19:21

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 18:53

You’re not sorry at all are you? You’re sitting there in the comfort of your home bleating on about how protesting against Hamas is futile.
That is your opinion and respectfully I disagree.
It’s about unity and ridding Gaza of Hamas. Yet you are still reluctant to admit that Hamas were the direct cause of the current conflict.🤷‍♀️

You are right, I don’t know and don’t care what you think.
I just passionately (but from the comfort of my home) protest your misdirections of current causes of Palestinian suffering.

Israel has choices.

It keeps making wrong ones to keep the current coalition of ghouls in power.

TinklySnail · 08/07/2025 19:22

sellotapechicken · 08/07/2025 18:45

I’m appalled this post is still up

Why are you appalled?