Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

[Whatsinanamehey]

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

You should go check who struck who first if you want to go down that route.

That's a nice way to pin it one event as if there was no build up to it. If anyone instigated it, it would be the British. I think the more honest question would be who took whose land? The belief that one group is superior to the other goes way back.

How can those of you who support the IDF continue to support them knowing that there is a widespread culture of justification for murdering innocent Palestinians. At what point will you denounce the IDF? Even after their own soldiers are telling you of their heinous actions?

Hamas isn't everyone in Palestine
It's a limited few ,who seem to be trying to speak for everyone
There's families just trying to survive getting shot standing in a qué for food
They are clearly not part of hamas

Whats up with the constant deflection?
Who started the first Arab / Israeli war?
As for yours, who struck first? How far back do you want to go? To King Herod? Perhaps Titus? What about the Arab conquest hundreds of years after the birth of Muhammed? Who struck first? Tribal people, Jews, Christians and Muslims ( in that order ) have been murdering each other in the region for thousands of years... I dont actually know who struck first, do you? Please do enlighten me?

Right. The double standard is so blatant but yet they don't see it.

Hamas = all Palestinians
IDF = a select few (except when it comes to criticizing them, then they suddenly represent all Jewish people and it's anti-Semitism).

It makes your head spin.

You should try to find someone from the 1920 or 1929 riots in Jerusalem and the Western Wall and find out who insulted who first and who threw the first punch. There isn't a this side or that side answer to the question. But the fact remains that it was Palestinian land.

Our government is offering asylum to anyone in Palestine,I believe I read somewhere recently,so at least that can help get some people out of harms way

I dont think the British did instigate it. They were merely the last overlords who failed to pacify a constantly fighting area.

I agree the more interesting question is who took whos land. To that I'd say theres as many different answers as stories of people living in Mandatory Palestine.

Would you feel it would be right for every Israeli who took land that was vacated by Arabs who were forced out during the war they started to return that land? Reparations maybe? What do you think should be the way forward? Can those Jews who bought land from Arab owners keep it? What about if Palestinians were granted the right to return, and that changed Israel proper to a majority Arab state ( I dont know the numbers on this ) should that still be allowed to happen? Should Israel allow the right of return given that a decent proportion of at least Gazan civilians believe Israel has no right to exist?

None of these are easy questions.

The Israelis are the ones killing innocent civilians (mostly women and children) night and day, estimated nearly 60 thousand dead, true figure probably much higher. Any comment on the article posted by the OP?

None of this has a real bearing on the IDF sytematically targetting civilians including children. You talk of deflection.

Palestinian at that time just referred to anyone living in the British Mandate for Palestine. So Jews, Arabs etc.

What do you mean ' Palestinian Land'?

Do you mean none of it belonged to any Jewish people? Because thats factually incorrect.

Im not the one who is deflecting on this thread.
Israeli soldiers are admitting to killing innocent Palestinians unjustly right now in the present.

And to answer your question Israel struck Egypt first in the 6 day war.

Of course it does.

The IDF are killing civilians as a direct result of the history. And I already made my comments about that upthread.

Not a single comment on any of the questions I asked you?

Exactly
These are constant deflections whenever Israeli war crimes are discussed. Maybe people find it difficult to accept that they are supporting an immoral army who carry out war crimes.

That wasn't the first Arab / Israeli war.
Who started the first one?

I'm not deflecting. Ive already commented on the IDF killing civilians upthread. It's awful. It's a war crime.

You start your questions with "I think". Why would I answer to your opinions and hypothetical nonsense?

If your answer to OP's thread and the admission of killing civillians is "they are killing civilians due to history", what further discussion is there. That's your answer.

The IDF are killing innocent Palestinian children because of what happened years ago? Do you even hear yourself? What you are doing is excusing.

Would you also agree if someone said Hamas carried out their attack because of what has been happening to Palestinians at the hands of Israel for decades? I don't think you would because you would be excusing the murder of innocent Israelis.

I've already commented on the war crimes, 3 times.
I don't find it difficult to accept war crimes are being commited. Every single war I've studied, war crimes have been commited.

Have you got anything to add to the conversation other than just the froth of hatred?

How dismissive. But i don't expect you to understand if that's all you see it as.

Honestly I think this conversation might be beyond you if you can't see that the IDF killing children is a consequence of what happened years ago.
As you lot are so fond of pointing out, these things dont happen in a vacuum.
Nothing justifys the IDF killing civilians.
Nothing justifys Hamas killing civilians.

I haven't heard a single person justify war crimes on here. I have heard many say they expect them in a war, and that's awful to hear but its true.

So come on, actions have consequences, history flows, who started the first Arab / Israeli war?

The article isn't about unavoidable killing of civillians though? That's kind of the whole point of it.

War requires that soldiers dehumanize the enemy
Dehumanise enemy soldiers not innocent civilians. Their dehumanisation of innocent civilians and decision to kill them is a war crime and not justifiable and they will hopefully be prosecuted for it.

I hope those committing war crimes on both sides are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I do wonder why there's constant threads from a few about Israeli crimes, but I never see those names on threads about Hamas crimes, Palestinian terrorism, corruption in Palestinian politics etc.

Ive also noted that absolutely no one on this thread wants to talk about the bigger issues, the history, the other possible ways. Its very, very difficult to prise you lot away from your hatred to talk. I guess that's the problem with this conflict in a nutshell.

Except they aren't.

On that awful 7th October day yes, and that was an indefensible day.

Since then virtually no Israeli civilians have been killed by Hamas. Less than a dozen. The IDF have killed more kids in a single family than Hamas have killed civilians in the last 18 months. More because of Israel's iron dome than out of any moral stance in all likelihood, but the stories of targeting civilians are only one way for a reason.