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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

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Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 10:00

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza

Speaking in a rare on-camera interview with Sky News, the soldier said the criteria of opening fire on civilians shifted depending on the commander.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

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TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 15:18

BelleHathor · 07/07/2025 15:06

Actually it was Ben Gurion who executed Plan Dalet (a brutal ethnic cleansing and extermination campaign) in March 1948. Prior to unilaterally declaring the modern day Israeli state on May 14th 1948.

One of the worst massacres occurred in Deir Yassin on Apil 9th 1948.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/9/the-deir-yassin-massacre-why-it-still-matters-75-years-later

Unfortunately many of the people who are happy to dehumanise Palestinians are more the willing engage in historical revisionism.

Oh look history. History also shows us that Israel is not the aggressor.
Arab nation decides to attack Israel. Israel kicks ass and the Arab nation cries victim.

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/07/2025 15:21

No the pro Israelis literally sweep aside Palestinian issues and make out its all in our minds.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 15:28

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/07/2025 15:21

No the pro Israelis literally sweep aside Palestinian issues and make out its all in our minds.

Eh? What are you on about?

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 15:34

Martymcfly24 · 07/07/2025 14:57

That article is terrible @Whatsinanamehey . The depth of hatred (and I will include Hamas in that) is just shocking that human life means so little to anyone.

I would also worry about the long term psychological effects on the young men and women in the IDF because they are so young. When they get older and have families of their own and they look back on these crimes against humanity how will they feel. Especially if there are war crime trials in the future and the international community know more about what has happened in Gaza..

I can't imagine what would be uncovered if international media were allowed into Gaza. The backlash will be felt in Israel? From the outside and within.

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Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 15:38

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 15:05

No. We don’t need to make another thread. This one is a perfectly reasonable thread for debate.
Hatred is a strong word to use on either side. Unfortunately I only see hatred from pro Palestine not pro Israel

Which is weird when you don’t have the balance to actually have any rational thoughts about the situation.
When you claim that Palestinians are only suffering at the hands of Hamas and completely and utterly sweep the actions of the IDF under the rug you really lose any credibility.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 15:41

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 15:38

Which is weird when you don’t have the balance to actually have any rational thoughts about the situation.
When you claim that Palestinians are only suffering at the hands of Hamas and completely and utterly sweep the actions of the IDF under the rug you really lose any credibility.

I don’t really care about your opinion of my credibility tbf.
If you truly GAF about Gaza then you should be denouncing Hamas.
Your hatred of Israel is palpable because you can’t bring yourselves to accept that the current conflict is purely the result of Hamas.
Palestine had far more supporters pre 7/10.
You can not expect people to support a terrorist government.
You can not expect people to support Gaza when other Palestinian governments don’t.
What’s the PLO doing to assist?
I’ve seen lots of aid coming into Gaza only for Hamas to take it. Do you not care that Hamas is doing this?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 07/07/2025 15:48

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 15:13

No you said ‘traditionally’ when currently it’s mainly Gaza (Hamas controlled) that are suffering.
Again, genocide. You call it genocide, others call it casualties of a war that Israel didn’t start.

No you said ‘traditionally
As in it's not a new term and references Palestinians in the west Bank and Gaza who are both under an illegal occupation and both suffering. Not sure why you are insisting on changing the term.

it’s mainly Gaza (Hamas controlled) that are suffering.
Have you looked at the number of civilians deaths this year in the West Bank?

You call it genocide, others call it casualties of a war
I called it genocidal activities and war crimes. The case for genocide has yet to be proven but there's enough evidence for a case to be answered.

sualipa · 07/07/2025 15:48

Martymcfly24 · 07/07/2025 14:57

That article is terrible @Whatsinanamehey . The depth of hatred (and I will include Hamas in that) is just shocking that human life means so little to anyone.

I would also worry about the long term psychological effects on the young men and women in the IDF because they are so young. When they get older and have families of their own and they look back on these crimes against humanity how will they feel. Especially if there are war crime trials in the future and the international community know more about what has happened in Gaza..

Will they though - these didn't.

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Tooblondetooyoung · 07/07/2025 15:55

UpsideDownChairs · 07/07/2025 15:15

He's describing security forces shooting or capturing people venturing into no-go zones.

Do they warn the civilians? They should (both of the no-go zones, and that if they enter the area they are liable to be shot), but do they? It's not clear from what this guy says, and that's something the IDF should deal with.

Should they keep doing it? The issue is that if someone is intentionally walking into a clearly marked security zone, they might be innocent people wandering in for an unknown reason, or they might be a combatant there to kill the soldiers guarding that zone.

That's why there are security protocols around this - and this being a war zone, they're harsher than they would be in other places. It's not unknown for suicide bombers to do exactly this - terrorists have put bombs in ambulances, on children, in babies nappies for goodness sake - of course they can't just take it at face value that the person violating the security zone is all they seem to be.

He's pretty clear that they aren't warning and they aren't telling the Palestinians where the boundaries are either.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:00

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 07/07/2025 15:48

No you said ‘traditionally
As in it's not a new term and references Palestinians in the west Bank and Gaza who are both under an illegal occupation and both suffering. Not sure why you are insisting on changing the term.

it’s mainly Gaza (Hamas controlled) that are suffering.
Have you looked at the number of civilians deaths this year in the West Bank?

You call it genocide, others call it casualties of a war
I called it genocidal activities and war crimes. The case for genocide has yet to be proven but there's enough evidence for a case to be answered.

So you are still not condemning Hamas and accepting the ‘genocide’ is only a ‘thing’ because Hamas decided to infiltrate Israel and carry out their own atrocities?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 07/07/2025 16:03

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:00

So you are still not condemning Hamas and accepting the ‘genocide’ is only a ‘thing’ because Hamas decided to infiltrate Israel and carry out their own atrocities?

You can stop twisting my words and telling me what I'm saying. You are clearly here just here to derail and don't want to talk about the reason for the thread so I'll leave you to it.

Martymcfly24 · 07/07/2025 16:09

sualipa · 07/07/2025 15:48

Will they though - these didn't.

That's chilling.

You may be unfortunately correct here

Martymcfly24 · 07/07/2025 16:09

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 07/07/2025 16:03

You can stop twisting my words and telling me what I'm saying. You are clearly here just here to derail and don't want to talk about the reason for the thread so I'll leave you to it.

The more obvious the IDF are wrong the more derailments occur.

It's a pattern.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:10

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 07/07/2025 16:03

You can stop twisting my words and telling me what I'm saying. You are clearly here just here to derail and don't want to talk about the reason for the thread so I'll leave you to it.

I’m not twisting your words my dear, you are just not willing to respond with any kind of constructive criticism of Hamas and the reality of the situation.
Derailing from your pro Hamas rhetoric or just not accepting that Israel is the problem?

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:13

Martymcfly24 · 07/07/2025 16:09

The more obvious the IDF are wrong the more derailments occur.

It's a pattern.

Another poster who is blind to Hamas 7/10 atrocities.
Why would the west want to help Gaza when a terrorist organisation runs it?
You think people would be on Israel’s side if they had initiated the 7/10 massacre?
Can’t you see that the continued excuses or denial about Hamas does not do anything for those that are currently suffering?

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:19

I will be popping up on every single post that is solely condemning Israel for the suffering of Gaza.
When you start looking at Hamas and its ridiculous charter then Gaza will be heard.
Until then, I and many others will always defend Israel’s actions against a terrorist regime.
British people don’t condone actions of terrorists organisations. Perhaps we could come together against Hamas rather than see Israel as an enemy 🤷‍♀️

sualipa · 07/07/2025 16:20

Martymcfly24 · 07/07/2025 16:09

That's chilling.

You may be unfortunately correct here

As is this - there can be no doubt atrocities and horrors have been committed by both sides over the decades.

Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians
TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:27

Hello, why isn’t anyone willing to denounce Hamas and its ridiculous charter?
Why do we all need to hate Israel when Hamas are the sole cause for the current situation?
Why should people care more about Palestine than any other ‘genocide’ that is happening right now?
Why do you feel Gaza is more of a priority than other country who is experiencing ‘ethnic cleansing’?

Whatsinanamehey · 07/07/2025 16:32

You are being extremely irrational, there are plenty of people including myself who have denounced Hamas. Why are YOU refusing to believe war crimes that Israeli soldiers are admitting to carrying out?

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Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 16:34

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:27

Hello, why isn’t anyone willing to denounce Hamas and its ridiculous charter?
Why do we all need to hate Israel when Hamas are the sole cause for the current situation?
Why should people care more about Palestine than any other ‘genocide’ that is happening right now?
Why do you feel Gaza is more of a priority than other country who is experiencing ‘ethnic cleansing’?

Hello, why aren’t you willing to start your own thread? This one is about an IDF soldier admitting that orders are to target civilians in Gaza. If you can’t possibly keep to the topic then make your own thread.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:41

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TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:43

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 16:34

Hello, why aren’t you willing to start your own thread? This one is about an IDF soldier admitting that orders are to target civilians in Gaza. If you can’t possibly keep to the topic then make your own thread.

What’s your issue with me posting here?

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 16:44

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:43

What’s your issue with me posting here?

I think everyone takes issue with your constant attempt to deflect and change the discussion from the topic the OP has shared.
Maybe you should consider why you need to do that.

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 16:48

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 16:44

I think everyone takes issue with your constant attempt to deflect and change the discussion from the topic the OP has shared.
Maybe you should consider why you need to do that.

I think you are very insular if you think that this board should be ‘pro Palestine’ only.
The last time I checked Israel was indeed in the Middle East.
I consider my need to do this is because people, like yourself, think this whole shit show is Israel’s doing and can’t actually accept that Hamas was the reason Israel defended themselves

BelleHathor · 07/07/2025 16:51

TinklySnail · 07/07/2025 15:18

Oh look history. History also shows us that Israel is not the aggressor.
Arab nation decides to attack Israel. Israel kicks ass and the Arab nation cries victim.

Great, does that mean we can also discount the history that certain people say that "God, granted that land"?

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