Israeli soldier openly talks about how the IDF kill innocent Palestinians

[Whatsinanamehey]

This is one of the most shameful articles I have read regarding the IDF's war crimes in Gaza.

This soldier talks openly how they would shoot innocent Palestinians and how it was like the wild west. The commanders would act depending on how they felt that day. Whether to shoot innocent civilians or kidnap them. Some held the belief that there are no innocents in Gaza and acted accordingly and this belief and subsequent war crimes were not challenged.

It's a hard read but a must. Especially for those who insist the IDF are only fighting Hamas and innocents are just caught up. This article aswell as many others shows that innocents have always been targeted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

If you want to talk about historical grievances since the state of Israel was formed then feel free to start a thread on it. I'm sure you will find the Palestinians have alot more to complain about and still do when they are targeted daily by radical settlers who are aided by the IDF.

I do wonder why there's constant threads from a few about Israeli crimes, but I never see those names on threads about Hamas crimes, Palestinian terrorism, corruption in Palestinian politics etc.
It's a thread about a current sky news story. Take your issue up with them.

Ive also noted that absolutely no one on this thread wants to talk about the bigger issues,
Why should they on this thread what you are describing has been discussed on many other threads go add to them

Its very, very difficult to prise you lot away from your hatred to talk. I guess that's the problem with this conflict in a nutshell.
You lot 🙄well how dare we comment on a current news article highlighting war crimes. Discussing war crimes is not hatred. If you see it that way I think the issue lies with you.

Embarrassed for you. What a way to twist things

No, you don't get it. But you do you if it helps you feel superior on that high horse.

Well it goes totally against the narrative that Israel are doing everything possible to avoid civilian casualties, that they act with precision to take out Hamas and how they have the lowest civilian casualty rate of any army, no?

Free Palestine-incorrect because many places in Palestine are not suffering. It should be Free Gaza.
It should also be Free Gaza from Hamas.
Why is it that this board will refuse to put the blame solely on Hamas actions and blame Israel for defending itself?
Genocide is a strong emotive word. Is it really genocide? Or just numerous casualties of a war ISRAEL didn’t start?
Where are the other Palestine governments and how are they helping?
Mad how you can’t see the rise in antisemitism and how many Jewish people feel about the whole shit show.
You don’t GAF about ‘hurty words’ until it’s directed at you.
You will never succeed in your cause whilst a terrorist organisation is still in power. And nor should you.

Free Palestine-incorrect because many places in Palestine are not suffering. It should be Free Gaza.
No it's not incorrect it traditionally relates to free Palestine from illegal occupation which includes both Gaza and the West Bank. It predates this current conflict

I agree the world has gone mad.

I am so sick of side stepping of how bad things have become for healthy Palestinians (I’m assuming anyone with anything complex has died). They are being dismissed as if the other issues are bigger.

I came across this the other day and reading OP article to me says this has been a policy since day 1.

I thought Palestine and Gaza was the same place .
Are they not all squashed in to that tiny amount of space by the IDF

Palestine is the greater area or country. Gaza is an area beside the sea, The West Bank is landlocked. Al Quds is Jerusalem.

The way I understand it ,is IDF have been murdering people in Palestine,and the hamas have retaliated
But when hamas retaliated ,they did it in such a big way it was headline news
So the world felt sympathy for the Israelis..as they should ..
But what was swept under the carpet was the years of suffering the Palestinians had been suffering at the hands of the IDF ...seems to be little sympathy here from the world, although I see that does seem to be changing ...
So the hamas attack was in retaliation,not a sudden attack for no reason..from their point of view ..
From the world's point of view ,we want it to stop ,we know not all Israelites support the IDF and not all Palestinians support hamas.
Innocent people on both sides are being killed
I pray both sides can come to an agreement and stop all fighting,I'm sure they can't possibly want more deaths on either side ..
Feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood anything here

I'm surprised the UN haven't put sanctions in place,or maybe they have and they are being ignored..I thought the UN had more power ..
But my understanding is very limited, although I'm trying to understand

That article is terrible @Whatsinanamehey . The depth of hatred (and I will include Hamas in that) is just shocking that human life means so little to anyone.

I would also worry about the long term psychological effects on the young men and women in the IDF because they are so young. When they get older and have families of their own and they look back on these crimes against humanity how will they feel. Especially if there are war crime trials in the future and the international community know more about what has happened in Gaza..

You have only commented on 1 point. How’s about commenting on the rest?
Why keep looking backwards? Instead of addressing the fact that Hamas are the reason Gaza suffers today.

Is this an attempt at satire or sarcasm? Either way it failed.
Can’t call it a Palestine genocide when pockets of Palestine are doing really well.

No. We don’t need to make another thread. This one is a perfectly reasonable thread for debate.
Hatred is a strong word to use on either side. Unfortunately I only see hatred from pro Palestine not pro Israel

I was correcting something in your post not commenting.

Why keep looking backwards? Instead of addressing the fact that Hamas are the reason Gaza suffers today.
I'm not looking backwards I'm commenting on something that's happening in the present. Palestinians in Gaza are suffering because of Hamas, because of the illegal occupation and because of Israel's genocidal activities and war crimes.

Actually it was Ben Gurion who executed Plan Dalet (a brutal ethnic cleansing and extermination campaign) in March 1948. Prior to unilaterally declaring the modern day Israeli state on May 14th 1948.

One of the worst massacres occurred in Deir Yassin on Apil 9th 1948.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/9/the-deir-yassin-massacre-why-it-still-matters-75-years-later

Unfortunately many of the people who are happy to dehumanise Palestinians are more the willing engage in historical revisionism.

Unfortunately I only see hatred from pro Palestine not pro Israel

Well I see the opposite go figure.

You just told anothet poster 'why keep looking backwards' but are now arguing we should debate the history on this thread? Sure go ahead, if you feel it's related to the thread.

I find it laughable and unbelievable that you think you only see hatred from one side.

No you said ‘traditionally’ when currently it’s mainly Gaza (Hamas controlled) that are suffering.
Again, genocide. You call it genocide, others call it casualties of a war that Israel didn’t start.

WTF are you on about?

He's describing security forces shooting or capturing people venturing into no-go zones.

Do they warn the civilians? They should (both of the no-go zones, and that if they enter the area they are liable to be shot), but do they? It's not clear from what this guy says, and that's something the IDF should deal with.

Should they keep doing it? The issue is that if someone is intentionally walking into a clearly marked security zone, they might be innocent people wandering in for an unknown reason, or they might be a combatant there to kill the soldiers guarding that zone.

That's why there are security protocols around this - and this being a war zone, they're harsher than they would be in other places. It's not unknown for suicide bombers to do exactly this - terrorists have put bombs in ambulances, on children, in babies nappies for goodness sake - of course they can't just take it at face value that the person violating the security zone is all they seem to be.

Oh okay. I must have missed the pro Israel movement spouting hatred. Can you point me in the right direction?