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Conflict in the Middle East

European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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Nowayyousure · 16/06/2025 04:31

"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

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EasternStandard · 16/06/2025 20:03

Twiglets1 · 16/06/2025 19:59

What a childish way of looking at things: If some countries are allowed nuclear weapons then all of them should be.

This isn't sports day in the playground.

Agree. It’s concerning people see it that way.

Dangermoo · 16/06/2025 20:32

HellsBalls · 16/06/2025 19:58

Or it might be better to get rid of the Iranian regime who have vowed genocide on Israel?
Iran has been kidnapped by the Islamist fundamentalists, who fund terrorism across the region and support Russia.
Time to say goodbye to them really. Netanyahu is a hero.

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Let's not forget how Iran has threatened the UK, USA and France's military bases. Yet some MNers still see them as a non threat. Utterly baffling.

Nowayyousure · 16/06/2025 22:16

Hagr1d · 16/06/2025 19:50

Who decides who should get nuclear weapons? If some countries are allowed then all of them should be. Is there evidence that Israel also comply with nuclear non-proliferation?

Iran also has a right to defend itself.
Ditto Palestine. And Lebanon and everyone else that Israel keeps bombing in the name of "self defence." Who decided that Israel was morally superior than everyone else? You can condemn Oct 7th and also condemn what the Israeli gov is doing. Two things can be true at once. I personally believe that the Israeli gov are hypocrites and that their leadership has lost sight of the hostages in pursuit of more power.

BN has been looking for an excuse to attack Iran for decades. It hasn't been proven that Iran actually have a nuclear weapon and the whole thing sounds like when we bombed Iraq for having "weapons of mass destruction". (The weapons that never existed) Call me cynical but I'm starting to wonder whether this is just more of the same. It is a convenient pre text to attack Iran. What are the chances that in 20 years time there will be an enquiry that discovers there weren't actually any nuclear weapons?

As for getting rid of their leadership - we should know better - power vacuums are never good, maybe it is better to stick with the devil you know..

Have you conviently forgotten that Iran funds various terrorist groups that kill innocent people? Those terrorist keep attacking Israel with missiles, or random other attacks. Making the link yet? It's not just bad Israel randomly attacking poor innocent Iran. Very simplistic.

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Nowayyousure · 16/06/2025 22:17

Dangermoo · 16/06/2025 20:32

Let's not forget how Iran has threatened the UK, USA and France's military bases. Yet some MNers still see them as a non threat. Utterly baffling.

Indeed, it's as of they are completely oblivious to what Iran has been doing for years.

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CrispyK · 16/06/2025 22:32

It hasn't been proven that Iran actually have a nuclear weapon and the whole thing sounds like when we bombed Iraq for having "weapons of mass destruction". (The weapons that never existed) Call me cynical but I'm starting to wonder whether this is just more of the same

They may not have a weapon but are very close, it doesn’t seem like you made much of an effort to find out though?….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mg7kx2d45o

the article states that:

In a confidential report seen by the BBC, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran now possesses over 400kg of uranium enriched to 60% purity - well above the level used for civilian purposes and close to weapons grade, and a near 50% increase in three months.
It is enough for about 10 nuclear weapons if further refined, making Iran the only non nuclear-armed state producing uranium at this level.

Two women walk next to an anti-US mural near the former US embassy in Tehran

Iran: UN nuclear watchdog IAEA concerned over uranium stockpile

The International Atomic Energy Agency says Iran now possesses over 400kg of uranium at 60% purity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mg7kx2d45o

Amplepombear · 16/06/2025 22:45

Nowayyousure · 16/06/2025 22:17

Indeed, it's as of they are completely oblivious to what Iran has been doing for years.

Iran is not the one that has destabilised the whole region by murdering tens of thousands in the last year and tracking virtually every neighbour it has, whilst also undertaking ethnic cleansing of Gaza and Palestinians and doing blatant land grab and firing at international diplomats. Iran was on the table for talks till Netenyahu showed his true murderous nature with the backing of Trump.

Amplepombear · 16/06/2025 22:48

CrispyK · 16/06/2025 22:32

It hasn't been proven that Iran actually have a nuclear weapon and the whole thing sounds like when we bombed Iraq for having "weapons of mass destruction". (The weapons that never existed) Call me cynical but I'm starting to wonder whether this is just more of the same

They may not have a weapon but are very close, it doesn’t seem like you made much of an effort to find out though?….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mg7kx2d45o

the article states that:

In a confidential report seen by the BBC, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran now possesses over 400kg of uranium enriched to 60% purity - well above the level used for civilian purposes and close to weapons grade, and a near 50% increase in three months.
It is enough for about 10 nuclear weapons if further refined, making Iran the only non nuclear-armed state producing uranium at this level.

Are we destabilising whole regions based on BBC reports? Bloody hell. Whatever happened to international investigators and courts? We might as well ditch all of that and admit it’s Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction all over again.

I find it utterly baffling that even one sane person on this earth can believe what comes out of the mouth of Netenyahu and his crony war criminal regime!

HellsBalls · 16/06/2025 22:56

Iran was not in the table for talks. The only reason they want to talk now is because Israel have already got air superiority.
Their dream of inflicting a genocide on Israel has been crushed. If they concede now, perhaps they can hang onto power.
At least Iran has the sense to ask for talks, unlike their proxy Hamas who have cost the lives of thousands of Gazans, by hiding in amongst them, and about 25,000 of their own members, such is their hatred of Israel.
It’s not just Trump supporting Israel. Read the news.

Amplepombear · 16/06/2025 23:25

HellsBalls · 16/06/2025 22:56

Iran was not in the table for talks. The only reason they want to talk now is because Israel have already got air superiority.
Their dream of inflicting a genocide on Israel has been crushed. If they concede now, perhaps they can hang onto power.
At least Iran has the sense to ask for talks, unlike their proxy Hamas who have cost the lives of thousands of Gazans, by hiding in amongst them, and about 25,000 of their own members, such is their hatred of Israel.
It’s not just Trump supporting Israel. Read the news.

They were in talks long before Israel started this. Trump tore that discussion apart and here we are. And are you still trying to convince people that Hamas wee hiding amongst the babies that Israel has killed and keeps killing with impunity?

At this point, the Israelite regime is serving US purposes with US- and U.K.-built missiles.

We are welcome to the aftermaths of it all.

Twiglets1 · 17/06/2025 05:57

G7 Leaders' statement on recent developments between Israel and Iran

We, the leaders of the G7, reiterate our commitment to peace and stability in the Middle East.
In this context, we affirm that Israel has a right to defend itself. We reiterate our support for the security of Israel.
We also affirm the importance of the protection of civilians.
Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror.
We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.
We urge that the resolution of the Iranian crisis leads to a broader de-escalation of hostilities in the Middle East, including a ceasefire in Gaza.
We will remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability.

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_25_1523

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Let's hope not, they seem to have some super human stamina and not much else to do.

Nads0622 · 17/06/2025 06:31

HellsBalls · 16/06/2025 19:58

Or it might be better to get rid of the Iranian regime who have vowed genocide on Israel?
Iran has been kidnapped by the Islamist fundamentalists, who fund terrorism across the region and support Russia.
Time to say goodbye to them really. Netanyahu is a hero.

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Netanyahu is a war criminal who’s had an arrest warrant issued by the international criminal warrant. es killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians . It’s not ok to go around attacking civilians of neighbouring countries. Israel had no reason to kill civilians in Iran , there’s no excuse for killing civilians . The hypocrisy is huge .
Israel itself hasn’t signed the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons despite pressure to
do so. I don’t even know where to
begin with the hypocrisy of it all.

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 06:38

Amplepombear · 16/06/2025 23:25

They were in talks long before Israel started this. Trump tore that discussion apart and here we are. And are you still trying to convince people that Hamas wee hiding amongst the babies that Israel has killed and keeps killing with impunity?

At this point, the Israelite regime is serving US purposes with US- and U.K.-built missiles.

We are welcome to the aftermaths of it all.

Edited. This is the incorrect post quoted see below.

@Amplepombear read this. See how many countries are aware of why Israel need to defend themselves. They are all aware of who funds terrorists in the middle east..... Iran.

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Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 06:40

Twiglets1 · 17/06/2025 05:57

G7 Leaders' statement on recent developments between Israel and Iran

We, the leaders of the G7, reiterate our commitment to peace and stability in the Middle East.
In this context, we affirm that Israel has a right to defend itself. We reiterate our support for the security of Israel.
We also affirm the importance of the protection of civilians.
Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror.
We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.
We urge that the resolution of the Iranian crisis leads to a broader de-escalation of hostilities in the Middle East, including a ceasefire in Gaza.
We will remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability.

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_25_1523

@Amplepombear this was what you seem to need to read. Actually read what countries know about irans funding of terrorism in the region. I'd added the incorrect quote to previous post.

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TwilightSkies · 17/06/2025 06:43

Surely all countries have the right to defend themselves?
People have been parroting that Israel has the right to defend itself for YEARS. The countries it is bombing have the same right.

SharonEllis · 17/06/2025 06:45

Amplepombear · 16/06/2025 22:48

Are we destabilising whole regions based on BBC reports? Bloody hell. Whatever happened to international investigators and courts? We might as well ditch all of that and admit it’s Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction all over again.

I find it utterly baffling that even one sane person on this earth can believe what comes out of the mouth of Netenyahu and his crony war criminal regime!

The BBC is the messenger. The report is from the IAEA - Independent of both the BBC and Israel. We have a longstanding international system of monitoring nuclear and Iran has been a focus of concern for years.

Twiglets1 · 17/06/2025 06:48

TwilightSkies · 17/06/2025 06:43

Surely all countries have the right to defend themselves?
People have been parroting that Israel has the right to defend itself for YEARS. The countries it is bombing have the same right.

Yes they do.

But somehow it needs to be stated in the case of Israel.

As so many people seem to think they shouldn't have the right to defend themselves.

SisterTeatime · 17/06/2025 06:52

TwilightSkies · 17/06/2025 06:43

Surely all countries have the right to defend themselves?
People have been parroting that Israel has the right to defend itself for YEARS. The countries it is bombing have the same right.

To all intents and purposes Israel is defending itself. And the rest of the ME. And arguably, the West.

Rockets are constantly fired into Israel. Why do you think they have the Iron Dome, bomb shelters, protocols ready in place for civilians?

Iran picked its latest fight with Israel, through Hamas. Hamas had NO chance of winning a physical (as opposed to a PR) war against Israel. They know that, everyone knows that! Do you think they care about the slaughter in Gaza?

I don’t think anyone is saying that countries don’t have the right to defend themselves - obviously they do. And they DO defend themselves. But if you want Iran to have nuclear weapons in the name of ‘fairness’ you need your head examined!

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 06:57

TwilightSkies · 17/06/2025 06:43

Surely all countries have the right to defend themselves?
People have been parroting that Israel has the right to defend itself for YEARS. The countries it is bombing have the same right.

Perhaps the countries 'it is bombing' should stop their respective terrorist organisations (funded by Iran) from attacking Israel (been happening for years!) then Israel wouldn't need to defend itself. There's a reason many, many countries are concerned about Iran and it's funding of terrorism throughout the region. Without funding from Iran, the terrorists wouldn't be able to continue the same way and many people will be better off.

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Nads0622 · 17/06/2025 07:05

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 06:57

Perhaps the countries 'it is bombing' should stop their respective terrorist organisations (funded by Iran) from attacking Israel (been happening for years!) then Israel wouldn't need to defend itself. There's a reason many, many countries are concerned about Iran and it's funding of terrorism throughout the region. Without funding from Iran, the terrorists wouldn't be able to continue the same way and many people will be better off.

Israeli ministers have been documented saying they want to obliterate Gaza . Smotrich said that Gaza will be destroyed. By your reasoning does that give the Palestinians the right to kill Israeli civilians ????

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 07:25

CrispyK · 16/06/2025 22:32

It hasn't been proven that Iran actually have a nuclear weapon and the whole thing sounds like when we bombed Iraq for having "weapons of mass destruction". (The weapons that never existed) Call me cynical but I'm starting to wonder whether this is just more of the same

They may not have a weapon but are very close, it doesn’t seem like you made much of an effort to find out though?….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mg7kx2d45o

the article states that:

In a confidential report seen by the BBC, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran now possesses over 400kg of uranium enriched to 60% purity - well above the level used for civilian purposes and close to weapons grade, and a near 50% increase in three months.
It is enough for about 10 nuclear weapons if further refined, making Iran the only non nuclear-armed state producing uranium at this level.

I have said this before in an earlier post: I have very little faith in any report that has not been thoroughly investigated by international bodies and proof shared with the United Nations.
otherwise it is just the law of the jungle, is it not?
We are back at the old slogan ‘we say Iraq has WMDs so they have it’ again.

Guess how many people it displaced from the region?

We are about to see Gaza repeated at scale. In full view of the world. What utter madness! Netenyahu’s sickness must be stopped. He has already killed tens of thousands of people!

HellsBalls · 17/06/2025 07:28

@Nads0622
”Netanyahu is a war criminal”
Accused, not convicted.
”He’s killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians”
It was allegedly 50,000 (where do you get hundreds of thousands from and who are they?) and closer to 25,000 once you remove the terrorists.
”It’s not ok to go around attacking civilians of neighbouring countries. Israel had no reason to kill civilians in Iran”
The IDF has been killing the nuclear scientists working on developing a nuclear bomb to commit a genocide in Israel.

HellsBalls · 17/06/2025 07:30

@Amplepombear ”Netenyahu’s sickness must be stopped. He has already killed tens of thousands of people!”

According to @Nads0622 it’s hundreds of thousands now. Do keep up.

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 07:34

Nads0622 · 17/06/2025 07:05

Israeli ministers have been documented saying they want to obliterate Gaza . Smotrich said that Gaza will be destroyed. By your reasoning does that give the Palestinians the right to kill Israeli civilians ????

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You obviously haven't read what I've said about Iran funding terrorism at all. Why quote a comment and then not reply to what is said. Lots of people say lots of things (which I don't condone at all, thats a different matter and needs dealing with) but facts about what has happened already are important.

Please tell me you do realise that without Iran funding terrorists throughout the middle east for years that this situation wouldn't have occurred. Surely you realise that or just another deflection from facts about Iran.

Do you see what the thread is about?

Did you read what other countries are saying and know?

Your comment doesn't follow this discussion at all, maybe you meant it to go on another thread about Israeli ministers?

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