European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

I also fully agree with her that diplomacy is the best way forward.
The Israeli regime has just made is sure that the mullahs find reasons to either hold on or come back eventually.
Exactly like it happened in Afghanistan after we have hundreds of British lives there. It’s so depressing!

Oh god. OK. I'll bite.

Yes its a democracy. BN didn't get a proper majority, so formed a coalition, bringing some awful characters in that very few Israelis voted for. Its complicated. Remember the uk coalition of Conservatives/ Liberal Dems? Similar.

And no, of course by voting in the current administration they were not voting for genocide, land grabing, ethnic cleansing. People have different thoughts on things. Not everyone supports everything that their government does. Surely you know this? And no of course not equally culpable. In the same way that every Gazan is not to be held culpable for the heinous atrocities of Hamas on October 7. As always in war, ordinary citizens pay the price for top level decision making.

Is nuance completely beyond you?

I’m not sure that even Israel could make their neighbours hate them even more. The mere existence of Israel at all stirs up hatred for generations.

If they are years away then perhaps no action was needed now to slow down the nuclear programme. However, there are other reports that say they have 60% enriched uranium. I wouldn't know which is true. What I do know is I'd be concerned if Iran had nuclear weapons. I'm concerned with the "we've got them why shouldn't Iran have them" going around social media like the latest idiotic soundbite.

There is of course the fact that Iran funds terrorist groups and their various attacks so needs stopping from that. Hezbollah, Hamas, The Houthis and others. None do anything good for their people just hate others and cause destruction. What good are they. Looking into each terrorist organisation funded by Iran they are pretty awful to their own people let alone attacks on Israel.

You said in your previous post that people in the Middle East will now be thinking that after attacking Iran “land grabbing” Israel will be coming for them next, and now you’re saying Israel can’t even dream to do “land grab” in Iran? So which one is it?

The poster contradicts themselves. Land grab, then not land grab. I'm not sure they know themselves. Iran doesn't border Israel so to land grab would be very difficult 🙄

It’s both.
Israel can’t dream of a land grab in Iran due to the terrain, the population, the whole logistics. It’s impossible.
They are small time criminals who were grabbing lands from poor Palestinians for decades and were constantly just being given slaps on the wrist which only emboldened them.
Now with Trump on scene, people like Putin and Enetenyahu have direct protection so they have become more ambitious.

However, mid eastern nations neighbouring Israelite occupied regions are the ones who would really be seeing their options now. That is what Netenyahu has unleashed.

Israeli, not Israelite*.
my edit function is not working for some reason.

However, mid eastern nations neighbouring Israelite occupied regions are the ones who would really be seeing their options now.

So you’re saying other Middle Eastern countries will attempt land grab now? Why mention “land grab” in Tehran then?

I merely highlited how you are not worrying how much anguish there is in the region seeing as the blatant land grab and genocide of Palestinians has gone unpunished.
And I highlighted you don’t seem to care about them so what is the pattern here. I think I may have hit a nerve there. Apologies for that.

I get your points, I just don't think bombing Iran right now, especially when Trumps appointed intelligence official said in March that Iran is "not building a nuclear weapon" and the country's supreme leader "has not authorised the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003" was the right think to do.

This stinks of Netanyahu's agenda to ensure his political survival. Conveniently the war in Gaza, the humanitarian catastrophe and failed new aid mechanism, the growing dissent from his own government at home and even the plight of the hostages have all been put on the back foot. I'm sure that suits Netanyahu just fine.

Not enough anguish in the region to open their borders and let in the Gazans though.

And to add that it was reported today as said above that US intelligence concluded very recently, that Iran was years away, not months away.

Europe already knows this, hence the advocacy for diplomacy from their side. Their hands are bound though because Trump is openly protecting Putin as per Zelensky so Europe is at a weak point. Trump and Netenyahu have really chosen their timing, haven’t they? Which makes me wonder how long have they been planning this for?

I'm sure the poster can answer for themselves. However, it is clear that they didn't say any of what you are suggesting.

But they did. They said Israel is a true democracy. So only one of these things can be true: either all Israeli people are behind a genocidal war criminal wanted by the ICC, OR he is doing it while ignoring what his people want, meaning it is not a democracy and it is a regime.
So which one is it?

I believe the UK Government was just about to ban his cabinet ministers for their ideology right before Netenyahu started this. That is how credible his elected government is.

Fair enough, we have different opinions on that. I don't like Netanyahu and can't wait for a new government to be elected moving forward. Its also difficult to know where trump is. One minute he's shouting at Iran to stop otherwise hell will be unleashed, another moment spurring the conflict onwards. I do think that Israel is doing the dirty work that the US may want by weakening Iran. Might be right, might be wrong. They've certainly weakened Hezbollah and Hamas, both funded by Iran.

Let's try to help.

Democracy is elected by the people, not all people, some of the people, it might be first past the post, so many people might not have voted for the leader.

Some of those people agree with what you are doing, others won't. They will oppose you.

You have elections every so often to change leaders, or keep the same ones (depending on results of votes). In the UK we vote every 4 or 5 years, unless a government stands down or is given a no confidence vote.

A regime doesn't have elections. For example Iran doesn't have elections. But iran is a bit different, its a theocracy, that means it has a supreme leader.

Sometimes eg in Gaza elections took place a long time ago, because the terrorist leaders didn't want to give people the change to change their leaders. Therefore these terrorist leaders continue to govern.

Does this help a bit 🤔

Well it appears mumsnet is ok with you saying ‘is it because they are white’
How about you don’t assume it maybe to do with skin colour and understand genocide is happening elsewhere too and the majority is religion based persecution. In some countries in the Middle East even atheism is punishable.
Why would anyone think any of this is about skin colour. It’s not relevant.
No nerve hit by the way. I despise religion not skin colour

@Nowayyousure Trump is too unpredictable. He's probably happy by this attack because it will put him in a better negotiating position without doing any of the dirty work himself. The whole region is very volatile though and it might not end up playing out how he wants it too, in the short or long run.

My reply is above. Maybe Google what is a democracy. Have a look. It will give you some pointers on different types of ways countries are governed or ruled over etc.

True.

Disgusting post but good to know what you really think