To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

OMG, it’s far more than ‘snatching kids’
In every post there is someone who wants to admonish Israel without actually acknowledging Hamas and the fact they were the terrorists who decided to poke a sleeping bear and are now suffering.
Although it’s not Hamas who are suffering is it? It’s their people who suffer because they can’t tolerate anything other than their own ridiculous ideology

Oh my. Tell me you don’t know much about the conflict and its history without telling me you don’t know much about it.

What you’re spouting is student-level politics.

This situation is way more complex than that. It’s not the Omnicause version of ‘Palestinians = oppressed good guys, Israelis = bad guy oppressors’ that you’ve been sold. I would seriously suggest you do some reading into the background to the conflict (and no, 1948 or Balfour are NOT the start of it - it goes back centuries if not millennia prior to that).

A both sides situation is EXACTLY what it is.

Solving it will require BOTH sides to to come to see each other as fellow humans, and to come to the table prepared to compromise in the pursuit of peace, which will need to be given higher priority than who’s done what to who or who is right or wrong. Israel will need to cede territory. Palestinians will need to accept Israel should have some territory (turning down an offer for the majority of the land, over and above what would be proportionate for the size of the population, just because they didn’t want Jews to have any land at all was a massive own goal, wasn’t it).

The fact that much of the Middle East hate Israel, are hostile to it and its people, and actively support terrorism and other efforts to destabilise it, is a massive fly in the ointment, of course.

Google is available to everyone, but I have started you off with a couple of screenshots

What empathy are you looking for from a site that is heavily British?

I dont understand your point.

I have spent time in Israel. Most Israelis I spoke to feel they have a right to the land due to their historic roots going back thousands of years. Which is a viewpoint I agree with. They also felt that despite the risks of being there, they were amongst their own, understood and at home. Again, something I can sympathize with.

I dont recognize the views the OP shared as common views in Israel at all. I do recognize them as pre conceived, prejudiced, lazy stereotypes. Thats the point I was trying to make.

Quite.

I'm not looking for empathy....my point is that there isn't any empathy from Israelis

The pp said that the general population of Israel believe they are God's chosen people and that they have a god given right to the land.
I was questioning how they know that given they haven't visited Israel.
Have 90% of ‘pro Palestine’ peeps ever actually been to Palestine?

Quite right, because Israel only wanted a peaceful independent country after the holocaust but the Arabs didn’t want them to have any peace at all

However, when you are faced by organised armed groups that wish to wipe out your country, what are you going to do? Sit and wait for the bombs to fall?

This is exactly what Palestinians are expected to do by Israel(and lots of posters here). Organised armed groups roaming the West Bank shouting death to Arabs, may your villages burn whilst they burn villages, kill Palestinians, steal their homes and livelihoods under the protection and support of the Israeli government. Would you support Palestinians bombing Israel rather than waiting around for Israelis to kill and expel them?

Iran signed the NPT and have inspections, are not known to have nuclear weapons. Israel do have nuclear weapons, reuse to sign the NPT and have no international inspections

Yeah, let’s overlook the numerous times Arab nations have started attacking Israel and wonder why they hate Islamic countries so much 🤷‍♀️

So are you saying its OK for Israelis to terrorise Palestinians on their land, kill them and throw them out of their homes because they deserve it? Or what point are you trying to make?

No! I already said that. I'd imagine very few of them have.
I still dont understand what youre asking me so if you want to respond to this then please talk to me like I'm 5.

I understand that they kidnapped people from their homes at gunpoint. Including children. Who according to you are not innocent civilians but instead soulless monsters.

I don't give a shit what Hamas are saying g they're rationale was.

Absolutely. While I understand it’s not actually the citizens at fault I do understand why Israel wants to wipe them out.
It’s ALWAYS an Islamic country who feels it necessary to make war on them.

Really? You criticised a poster for supporting Israel although they hadn’t been. No different to anyone who support Gaza but hasn’t been.

UK Government (FCDO) now advises against all travel to Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/israel

I questioned a poster for assuming they knew what Israelis living in Israel think, despite having not visited Israel. I meant to call attention to the flaws in their train of thought. I think you've misunderstood me. Nevermind.

Oh yes, of course the IDF are raping and beheading babies, girls and women. All the time. </sarcasm font OFF>

Cruel

Oh, so they signed a piece of paper and allow inspections to carefully-sanitised sites?

Phew! Thank God for that. Here was I thinking the murderous death-glorifying approach of Khameini and his murderous regime who don’t give a shit how many of his own people die and hate Israel and the West might pose a bit of a risk.

Thanks for your reassurance.

I wish them safety, but also the Iranian civilians safety.
Hopefully the bomb shelters in Israel will protect many 🤞 I don't think Iranian civilians have the same set up and it's heartbreaking to think of more children suffering for more pointless wars, iranians without shelters, or the Israelis who don't stay safe using them, and the trauma to both sides living in fear.
Who is to blame is irrelevant, its innocent people on every side suffering in wars and we should be past doing it to eachother as a society by now 😪

Cruel? How are my words cruel? I don’t give any thought to Palestine because their governments are totally corrupt and they too dngaf about what happens their their own people