Freedom Flotilla

[Badh]

Thought this might be worth its own thread. The freedom flotilla The Madleen was getting close to Gaza but seems to have made a diversion, as it was the closest boat to answer a distress call. They seem to also have four Sudanese asylum seekers on board who were trying to escape the Libyan coast patrol.

The UK and France are asking Israel for its safe passage.

The tracker is here but is in and out of action.
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

More details here, although the latest detour is not covered in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-navy-gears-up-to-block-high-profile-protest-ship-headed-for-gaza/amp/

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DhIlaZmSbDM?feature=share

Ex Israeli Defence minister A. Liberman is pretty convincing. But this is more recent.

Thanks I wasn’t aware the papers said that.
How could they have entered Israel illegally , they were in International waters and weren’t going to Israel

What a loud of bollocks
So
Agree now I know more facts
I wouldn’t be agreeing to a lie.

@1dayatatime
Re your last para. I’m assuming the FFC are calling this illegal detention and asking that the 8 be allowed to voluntary leave because of the terms being forced on them.
To have to sign the document they are saying they committed an illegal act.
They didn’t
To be able to leave voluntarily you shouldn’t be forced to admit to something you haven’t done.

So the FFC are therefore saying..they should be able to leave without having to lie about a crime they haven’t committed.
In terms of the use of the words illegal detention the same applies. They have done nothing wrong. They were brought to Israel by the IDF and so are being illegally detained

I disagree
Why would they watch something irrelevant to their cause.
In agreeing to watch it they are saying imo. Yes. It is about the war.
Its not

Its about people being starved
It’s about the lack of provision of aid and raising awareness

It’s not as if the flotilla activists won’t be aware of the October 7th footage - it was broadcast as breaking news all around the world. It’s some of the most harrowing and memorable news footage I’ve ever seen in my entire life. They won’t have missed it.

I don’t think compelling people to watch any footage is a great idea. It’s too suggestive of old school conversion therapy.

It's not irrelevant to their cause to understand why Netanyahu is so determined to destroy Hamas.

If Hamas agreed to the demands put forward by the latest US proposal, the aid blockades would be lifted by now & the war would be over. If it's just about the lack of the provision of aid in your opinion then you ought to be as vocal against Hamas as you are about the IDF.

Greta arrived back in Sweden late last night.

Strangely for someone who claimed to have been "kidnapped" she is vowing to return. Despite the environmental impact of the planes that she now knows Israel will be sending her and the other activists straight back home again on.

Ironically, she has accused Israel of orchestrating a PR stunt following the action.

It's not irrelevant to their cause to understand why Netanyahu is so determined to destroy Hamas.

But not everyone thinks that the war in Gaza is going to destroy Hamas. Even more than half of the Israelis themselves think it is politically motivated now.

The war would not be over if Hamas had an agreed. There would be a temporary ceasefire. Maybe that would have led to a permanent ceasefire but then we had the Israeli government plan to move the Palestinians elsewhere/curtail them into certain areas. So it didn’t look very promising.

Hers histrionics are laughable, which is tragic when you consider the bigger picture of the hurt for both Gazans and Israelis and other families of victims of October 7th and the conflict.

Noone's making baseless accusations, its a conversation. I cant be bothered to go back but someone mentioned that various people were once considered terrorists in the context of a discussion about terrorists (Hamas) and terrorist sympathisers (Greta's crew). Its an argument that pops on on this board pretty frequently and it never works as a gotcha. Or maybe we did misunderstand and its that you're comparing yourself, rather than Hamas to Mandela? Don't worry, no need to reply as I say Im not going to go back and check the whole conversation.

It would be a temporary ceasefire yes with hope of a permanent ceasefire.

Humanitarian aid would have been flowing into Gaza by now. According to the US proposal, The aid will be delivered by the United Nations, the Red Crescent and other agreed channels.

Which is what Sooty & Sweep thinks it's all about. Saying it's not about the war, Its about people being starved

Summary of the US Proposal for a 60 day ceasefire:

• Ceasefire to lead to flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza
• Israel to halt military operations; gradually redeploy
• Hamas studying ceasefire proposal
• Plan comes amid escalating conflict, mounting pressure

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-proposes-60-day-ceasefire-gaza-plan-shows-2025-05-30/

@Badh

"It’s not the same as voluntarily leaving
. Greta had to sign a document saying she had illegally entered Israel."

Did she? Do you have a link or evidence to show the document that she signed?

The terms of any voluntary deportation vary. It could equally be that she signed a document saying she simply agreed to leave or a document saying that she illegally entered Israel etc etc.

The fact is without seeing what she signed we don't know.

This has more information.

https://freedomflotilla.org/2025/06/10/adalah-update/

The update is from Adalah.

But it’s temporary. A temporary agreement to aid.

Anyway my main point is that “understanding” why Netanyahu wants to destroy Hamas by watching 7/10 footage is not a thing.

Wedon’t need to watch gruesome footage to figure out that a terrorist attack targeting innocent civilians is wrong and that Isreal has a right to defend themselves against futher attacks. We also don’t need to see the dead bodies from a 2,000 lbs bomb dropped on people in a tent encampment to figure out that isn’t self defence.

Of course you won't. It's not a conversation when I'm on the receiving end of accusations.
Nobody mentioned that various people were considered terrorists in the context of a discussion about Hamas. Nobody.
Always works as a gotcha for you to use to label people though.

OK - I provided links and evidence showing that your statement was false. Your counter argument is "no it isn't ".

Sorry but you are going to have to try harder and post links that support your current "false" claim, otherwise your posts are false and with zero credibility.

Yes it was only for a 60 day ceasefire & resumption of aid (I shouldn't have said "the war would be over" above as it's true that there was no guarantee of that only an expectation that it could have lead to a permanent ceasefire).

But a lot of aid could have poured into Gaza during a 60 day ceasefire, so if people starving is the issue as Sooty feels, Hamas should have agreed to a 60 day ceasefire with serious negotiations to ending the war.

I feel we are never going to agree on whether the activists should have watched the video or not. We agree that Israel has a right to defend themselves against further attacks (not Isreal as you spelt it, I hope mistakenly). We agree that their response has become disproportionate and that they shouldn't have withheld humanitarian aid.

But other things we will never agree on & issues around the Freedom Flotilla is clearly one of them.

@TheAutumnCrow

"I don’t think compelling people to watch any footage is a great idea. It’s too suggestive of old school conversion therapy."

Well at the end of WW2 British and US troops forced German civilians to visit the concentration camps to see the horrors firsthand as they (correctly) thought in later years there would be an attempt to deny the holocaust ever happened.

Personally I think Thunberg's refusal to watch the video showing the details of 7th October terrorist attack is very suggestive of holocaust denial.
I'm sure that in a few years Greta will be denying that the 7th October attack ever happened.

Sorry but you are going to have to try harder and post links that support your current "false" claim, otherwise your posts are false and with zero credibility. @1dayatatime

"In 2013, Israel also secretly started giving medical treatment to wounded rebel fighters from Syria. Fighters were picked up at the border by the IDF, transported to Israeli hospitals for surgery, and then sent back into Syria. Up to 3500 Syrians – including women and children – have now been treated inside Israel. "
"The understanding in Israeli defence circles is that Hezbollah and Iran constitute long-term strategic threats, while Islamic State groups are mere tactical threats that can be dealt with another day."

From Danish Institute for International Studies, a body mostly funded by the Danish government.

Phew, and I was worried that without this you were going to believe that all my posts were false and having zero credibility. I hope that I have, in your eyes at least, redeemed myself.

pure.diis.dk/ws/files/710686/Israel_s_conflicting_interests_in_Syria_webversion2.pdf

You mentioned MLK and suffragettes being condidered terrorist sympathisers or terrorists on the CITME board in a conversation about Israel/Gaza and this yacht which was full of terrorist sympathisers (see above). The 'terrorists' in that context are hardly Shining Path are they?

But please do explain what your point was.

They are not destroying Hamas.
They are preventing aid to civilians

What's that phrase? res ipsa loquitor - you can follow the conversation quotes down.

Yesterday 17:50 You also posted about the suffragettes planting bombs to support your argument.

I note that you dismissed the point about MK necklace killings as 'they killed a few hundred at most' and were also a big fan of Robert Mugabe (responsible for the deaths of many of his countrymen during his rule). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51yl354ed2o

It's nice that you don't support hamas in any way.

I can see who my moral compass is being judged by on this board.

Agree.

I've had a search for details of the agreement she signed and cannot find anything so it's guesswork from everyone here.

"The state requested that the activists remain in custody until deportation. Under Israeli law, those issued deportation orders may be detained for 72 hours before forced removal unless they agree to leave earlier. Adalah demands their immediate and unconditional release. A decision from the tribunal is expected later today."

Make this make sense.

They didn't want to leave so Israel go to court to deport them and they ask for immediate release. They could have gone home with the others like Greta did 😕