Freedom Flotilla

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Thought this might be worth its own thread. The freedom flotilla The Madleen was getting close to Gaza but seems to have made a diversion, as it was the closest boat to answer a distress call. They seem to also have four Sudanese asylum seekers on board who were trying to escape the Libyan coast patrol.

The UK and France are asking Israel for its safe passage.

The tracker is here but is in and out of action.
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

More details here, although the latest detour is not covered in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-navy-gears-up-to-block-high-profile-protest-ship-headed-for-gaza/amp/

Personally I think Thunberg's refusal to watch the video showing the details of 7th October terrorist attack is very suggestive of holocaust denial.
No it is not, it is refusing to watch a distressing video under duress it is not denying it happened

I'm sure that in a few years Greta will be denying that the 7th October attack ever happened.
You have no way of knowing this

What are they trying to achieve by forcing people to watch these videos? Don't forget they also forced ambassador's from countries that disagreed with some of their activities in Gaza to also watch these videos.

Make this make sense.

From my understanding (and it was discussed earlier in the thread a few times....) is that being deported suggests they entered Israel illegally, which they argue they did not because they were intercepted in international waters and brought to Israel by the IDF. They do not want to sign documents that suggests they have done something illegal. They want to leave Israel of course but not under deportation orders.

@DeSoleil

Any evidence yet to back up that statement

Agree
They were taken to Israel against their will and they’d like to leave.

The 12 are not the criminals here. What the IDF did equates to piracy and is against International law.

If anyone can show evidence with a different definition of being abducted at sea in International waters I’m sure we’d all love to see it.

I’d like to think we’ve come a long way since 1945.
That was 80 years ago.
Clearly Netanyahu and his followers haven’t

What do you mean?

Last time I saw so many straw men set up it was at the village scarecrow festival.

You win the internet today - just keep away from petrol bombs and matches !

I’d like to think we’ve come a long way since 1945.
That was 80 years ago.

Hamas certainly hasn't, given what they did not two years ago.

Honestly some of these posts are so far fetched. Accusing Thunberg of holocaust denial is just ridiculous , just because she wanted to bring a tiny bit of aid to the Palestinians.

And why is the holocaust being brought up here?? Where is the relevance??
Is holocaust inversion acceptable if its a pro Israeli comment??

Is holocaust inversion acceptable if its a pro Israeli comment??

It would be wise to actually know and understand what holocaust inversion means, before making such comments.

Germans being taken into the concentration camps was absolutely necessary, given how radicalised many of them were.

Germany underwent a huge process of de-radicalisation after the war.

Radicalisation was an issue then, it is an issue now.

I can see it in some of the comments on this board.

It’s frightening.

Radicalisation was an issue then, it is an issue now. I can see it in some of the comments on this board.
So you are now suggesting some posters on here are radicalised? This needs to stop

Germans being taken into the concentration camps was absolutely necessary, given how radicalised many of them were.
So is this why Greta etc were asked to watch the footage of the Hamas attack? why the ambassadors were summoned to watch it, they were radicalised?

Comparing to the 1940s is ridiculous anyway there wasn't as easy access to footage as we have now so for some it was necessary to really see what went on. Nowadays it is easily available you don't need to be forced by a government to sit down and watch something when it is easily accessible, it is intimidating.

With Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg it's definitely a bandwagon and her little special interest thing. It's clear she is unable to see the bigger picture. And no I am not in favour of the current Israeli government and strategy, it's all deeply concerning. However the sorry topic is vastly complex and greta is an ignorant, stubborn black and white thinking type of character. It irks how she is lecturing countries from her little pedestal, white saviour springs to mind. Have you seen her sister? She's quite the star in her own right , conversations around the dining table must be <ahem> interesting at the Thunbergs.

So you are now suggesting some posters on here are radicalised? This needs to stop

I’m not suggesting anything, I said exactly what I think and what I see for myself.

A lot of the comments on here smack of radicalisation. This board was pretty bad at the beginning, but it has got worse over time. I avoid it for this reason.

So is this why Greta etc were asked to watch the footage of the Hamas attack? why the ambassadors were summoned to watch it, they were radicalised?

No idea. I was replying specifically to a comment that implied the allied troops were somehow in the wrong for taking Germans into the concentration camps to look at what they had been complicit in. I said it was necessary because the population was so radicalised. I have no idea why Greta etc were asked to watch it, nor do I care.

Comparing to the 1940s is ridiculous anyway there wasn't as easy access to footage as we have now so for some it was necessary to really see what went on. Nowadays it is easily available you don't need to be forced by a government to sit down and watch something when it is easily accessible, it is intimidating.

I’m not making any comparisons. Simply replying to a comment that caught my attention.

https://x.com/TechButthead/status/1932395637494194368

Brilliant

I used to work with a man who was one of the soldiers escorting Germans round a concentration camp. He said the people in the nearby town all claimed to know nothing of what happened in the camp. He said that was lies as you could smell the rotting bodies in the town. As the mayor and others continued to say they didn't know what the soldiers were talking about the senior officer offered them the opportunity to find out. Apparently there were no volunteers so the invite changed to an order.

An interesting take from one of the i- paper columnists , I don’t use TikTok, so I’ve no idea what’s actually happening on there, but Alison Phillips seems to think it’s significant, and that our Greta is handling it all marvellously.

https://archive.ph/cuwpE

And they were absolutely right. A selfie yacht is exactly what it was. But if your selfie is being seen by 15 million people horrified at the plight of children and adults in Gaza, then that is powerful in our visual-first media.

Of course, any aid is of use in a place where children are starving to death, but the suffering of the people of Gaza will not end until the public around the world places such pressure on their governments that they in turn push Israel to stop it.

With a block on Western journalists getting into Gaza and a collapse in faith in the mainstream reporting on the crisis, activists like Thunberg are seeking to fill an information void. The content created is not objective or comprehensive. But it is emotive. And emotion is the currency of activists.

All across Instagram and TikTok yesterday there were mournful-looking young people listening to the news that Thunberg’s boat had been “kidnapped”.

And anyone muttering: “Who cares what the idiots on TikTok think” is the real idiot. Twice as many young people get their news from TikTok than the BBC, a report revealed last year.

A lot of the comments on here smack of radicalisation.

I’m not suggesting anything,
You are

You misunderstood me.

And missed out the rest of that sentence:

I’m not suggesting anything, I said exactly what I think and what I see for myself.

I’m explicitly stating that some of the comments here smack of radicalisation, not simply suggesting it.

My dad was genuinely horrified when the Berlin Wall came down. He’d fought in WWII, like his own father had in the First, and he firmly believed that Germany should have remained permanently restrained after the horrors they inflicted upon the world. In his view, they knew what was happening and for the most part, didn’t careuntil their country, and much of the world, lay in ruins.

His best friend was a university lecturer who’d married an Austrian Jewish woman who’d fled Vienna in 1938. I remember asking her, sometime in the 1980s, if she ever thought about going back. She just said, “Why would I? Our neighbours,people we thought were friends—turned on us the moment it mattered.There is nothing to go back to."

So not suggesting stating. I think your statement that some posts on here smack of radicalisation is an extremely serious accusation so I hope you have reported these posts and posters to mumsnet because otherwise it's just pure hyperbole on your part to shutdown debate.

You can keep hoping, because I don’t report anything.

I don’t believe any comments should be deleted, as it masks a lot of what is really going on underneath the surface.

I think it’s very important that others are able to see exactly what has been said during the discourse so that they can see things clearly, and form their own thoughts and opinions.

otherwise it's just pure hyperbole on your part to shutdown debate.

No, it’s my opinion. And I have no interest in shutting down debate. I think this thread has been incredibly enlightening.

All very vague and non committal so

I’m not sure what else you want me to say.

I said that a lot of the comments on this thread smack of radicalisation and that I don’t report them, because I think it’s important to allow comments to stand.

I don’t think that’s either vague or non committal.

What else do you want? You want me to cut and paste those specific comments for your approval?

If you can’t see it, that’s fine.

I can see it.

I don’t need your approval to hold my opinion.