Freedom Flotilla

[Badh]

Thought this might be worth its own thread. The freedom flotilla The Madleen was getting close to Gaza but seems to have made a diversion, as it was the closest boat to answer a distress call. They seem to also have four Sudanese asylum seekers on board who were trying to escape the Libyan coast patrol.

The UK and France are asking Israel for its safe passage.

The tracker is here but is in and out of action.
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

More details here, although the latest detour is not covered in the article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-navy-gears-up-to-block-high-profile-protest-ship-headed-for-gaza/amp/

@1dayatatime thank you for the update. I read your previous post and I was just replying to say I think you made a fair point.

What about all those people who say that you can't expect Israel to negotiate with terrorists. Right, but you can expect them to ARM and work with other terrorists of their choice from Gaza. Make it make sense. @Whatsinanamehey

During the Syrian civil war, Israel was patching up wounded ISIS fighters and sending them back over the border to fight Assad. My enemy's enemy makes strange bedfellows. It's all politics.

Thank you for the thank you 😀!

Either way I personally just see as a publicity stunt for Thornberg that has detracted attention away from the more important topic of getting proper aid to ordinary Gazans.

Hmm I have to disagree that it's detracted away when there's been alot more talk on the humanitarian situation since. But we will probably have to agree to disagree on that.

@mouthpipette

"During the Syrian civil war, Israel was patching up wounded ISIS fighters and sending them back over the border to fight Assad. My enemy's enemy makes strange bedfellows. It's all politics."

Sorry but you just made this up.

Israel provided medical aid to ordinary civilians during the Syrian conflict not "patching up ISIS fighters".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-war-israel-charity-amaliah-fsa-idf-syrian-civilians-women-children-medical-treatment-a7469421.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsraelihumanitariannoperationsduringgtheSyriannCivilWar

The fact that you have tried to turn a genuine humanitarian act into some kind of fake claim of Israel proving medical aid to ISIS is very telling about your actual motives and bias.

I have never been deported, but I think that deportation has a harsh legal implication. You will not be able to enter that country in the future, plus remains in your file and could affect other visas.
Leaving on your own accord is legally preferable. Taking into account that they did not enter Israel willingly, deportation sounds like not a good option, legally speaking.

Yes this is correct. Legally speaking it’s not a great option. They have to sign that they illegally entered the country. I assume they talked this through with legal advisors before hand and decided what they would do.

There is a legal argument that because thdy were taken in international waters and brought to Israel they are being illegally detained but it is not clear cut, as far as I understand.

@MushMonster

"Leaving on your own accord is legally preferable. Taking into account that they did not enter Israel willingly, deportation sounds like not a good option, legally speaking."

Although leaving voluntarily is legally the best option and going to court to be deported is legally the worst option.

If you consider it from a PR perspective then refusing to voluntarily leave and deported gets the most publicity.

Especially if your own group can then somehow spin it that you are being illegally detained and calling that you should be able to voluntarily leave (even though you have said no to this).

I’m not really understanding you @1dayatatime

Nobody got the option to voluntarily leave. Greta was deported.

@Badh

Voluntary deportation, also known as voluntary departure, is a process where an individual who is not legally permitted to stay in a country is allowed to leave on their own accord rather than being forcibly removed by authorities. This process allows individuals to avoid the negative consequences of forced removal, such as re-entry bans.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
• Not forced removal:
Voluntary deportation means leaving the country willingly, without being physically escorted out. 





• Avoids re-entry bans:
Opting for voluntary departure can sometimes lead to shorter re-entry bans, especially if the individual covers their travel expenses, <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.richardnelsonllp.co.uk/guides/deportation-process-in-the-uk/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiH0faE6OeNAxUXZ0EAHXQgHMoQjJEMegQIHRAB&usg=AOvVaw2cKhQE7zx4wdli5jPlTfuY" rel="nofollow" target="blank">according to Richard Nelson LLPP. 





• Can be assisted:
Some countries offer financial or other assistance to individuals participating in voluntary return programs. 





• Not a punishment:
Voluntary deportation is not a form of punishment, but rather an option given to individuals who are not legally allowed to remain in the country. 





• Potential for re-entry:
While some re-entry bans may apply, the individual's future ability to return to the country is not necessarily permanently barred, depending on the specific circumstances and regulations

It’s not the same as voluntarily leaving
. Greta had to sign a document saying she had illegally entered Israel.

Other activists may not want to do this. And from the sounds of it, there is legal argument against deportation in this case.

I think you are trying to say - oh look at this it makes no sense. But there is sense to it.

Voluntary departure would make sense on this case, but it does not sound like they were offered that one, with the document they signed.
I do not think they should be said to have entered Israel illegally, because they did not. They were taken there. As far as I know they were in international waters, were not they?
And I was understanding that the illegal detention does refer to that. They have been taken to Israel, not entered Israel illegally, and they are requested to sign some not accurate papers or go to court?

Anyway, they are well and fed.

The where the aid cargo is now and whether aid is effectively and unobstructedly going into Gaza is the important matter.
Plus whether Netanyahu is going to stop arming flipping criminals and terrorists, starting from today.

Protests by thousands in France apparently for the release of the boat “hostages”.
Were there any protests when 30 French civilians died and 7(?) I think were taken hostage in October 2023? No? What could the difference be do you think?

By refusing to leave and having to wait for a date to be forced to leave they will claim they are being held. Strange people.

They refused to leave, so not being held. Protesters aren't good with logic.

It's what I heard/read/saw from more than one source, I'll see if I can back it up with sources and get back to you.

Please do go and read my posts.
Please do show me where I'm continuing to equate the suffragettes with Hamas.

This is my third separate post where I've been either accused or grossly misinterpreted. This is my third time pointing this out and my third time requesting evidence.
My last two requests were not addressed.

As above, thank you.

You weren't,but you wrote it while quoting my post. Got it.

Sigh...yet again. I never once said anything about Hamas. But hey, why don't you report me for promotion of terrorism, if you do believe that is what I'm doing on this thread?
Why do posters think it's ok to make such baseless accusations??

No I didn't do this, but thank you for showing how quick you are to jump to accusations.

Sorry but you just made this up. @1dayatatime

No I didn't, it's been "made up" by many people and it must have some credibility otherwise Wiki wouldn't reference it.

Wiki was not my primary source.

Anyway, should it be false, it's not as if Israel aiding IS were a very grave sin. The realpolitik of the situation would demand it. i.e. it's in our best interests.

I'm one too now apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_the_Islamic_State#:~:text=Israel%20strongly%20denied%20accusations%20of,Shabab%2C%20during%20the%20Gaza%20war.

oops, almost forgetted the plink.