Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

I believe there are a certain number of post deletions that get you banned...not sure how many but I'm told you get fair warning to proceed with caution before the big heave ho. If you come back after being banned and mn discover you, that shows in the deletion message on your posts.

You seemed to be insinuating that I and other posters here were supporting terrorism.

Now that you have confirmed that you are not suggesting this, I don’t think there needs to be a circular argument about it.

Don't worry, if I thought you'd written a post that was supporting a banned terrorist group I would report it and leave it to mn discretion. The buck stops with them.

Posters think they are so clever. They can provide a non-stop commentary of the moral vacuousness of Israel, make opposition to the IDF the animating purpose of their politics, repeat anti-Israel lies, progoganda and half-truths. Assume bad faith by Israel and those defending the war. And act as if Hamas doesn't exist. And then when someone says that they are not balanced, they just say "but of course I do not support Hamas" before going back to their anti Israel obsession and pro-Hamas propaganda.

I expect responses to my previous post will demonstrate exactly what I'm describing.

You'll say I'm 'attacking people who care about dead children' rather than engaging with the disproportion in focus I've identified. You'll demand specific evidence of 'lies' while ignoring the obvious pattern of ritualistic Hamas disclaimers followed by sustained Israeli obsession. You'll claim you focus more on Israel because they're 'supposed to have higher standards' - which is just another way of saying Hamas gets a free pass on moral responsibility.

What you won't do is explain why 45,000 deaths in Gaza receives more sustained moral attention than 500,000 in Syria. You won't seriously analyze Hamas's strategic use of civilian casualties. You won't acknowledge that making opposition to Israeli actions your moral universe while treating Hamas as background noise isn't 'balance.'

The fact that you can't engage with this observation directly - that you'll deflect through offense rather than examine the pattern - proves my point about the dishonesty of the discourse around Israel -Palestine

But this is a thread about a mother who lost several children and her husband in an Israeli attack on Palestine. What else would we discuss on such a thread but the conflict that caused it.
If you want to discuss Syria go ahead and start up a thread on that.

A BBC journalist was detained in Syria yesterday by the IDF, interrogated and then released which his footage deleted. I do think this is relevant because what are the IDF doing in Syria? Isn't Syria another country i.e. not Israel?

And plenty of Israelis are in opposition to this conflict in Gaza. Look at the thousands who have matched to the Gaza border. Are they anti-Israeli too? No, they are not.

Bloody hell, just reading about this now...also reported on Haaretz?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/05/israel-accused-of-arming-palestinian-gang-who-allegedly-looted-aid-in-gaza

I think I remember that post. They asked the question whether you could consider Hamas actions terrorism now. They did not question whether the events of 7/10 was terrorism.

I don’t really agree. The Hamas rockets, largely don’t do a lot of damage or cause a lot of deaths because of the sophisticated Israeli defense system. But by their nature they are indiscriminate attacks and the whole point of them is to terrorise Israeli civilians.

However I don’t think this person was saying they were freedom fighters either. That’s a stretch. Overall the BBC have been criticised by both sides and that’s a fairly good indicator that they are remaining as impartial as you can. I think their reporting of this conflict has been excellent.

I didn't say the person was saying they were freedom fighters, I was musing about the possiblity they may do. What I said was, Maybe they prefer to call them freedom fighters or something, I don't know.

Anyway, the post you describe wasn't the post I was referring to.

People should get back to discussing the title of this thread.

Deflection. Exactly as predicted

But this is a thread about a mother who lost several children and her husband in an Israeli attack on Palestine. What else would we discuss on such a thread but the conflict that caused it.

The trouble is, some on here appear to want to use the thread as a vehicle for scoring points over other posters. The thread isn't really about the wider conflict, it's about this terrible thing that has happened to a specific individual. The bickering and attempts at point-scoring are in poor taste imo. Nothing stopping people from starting their own thread(s) about the wider conflict, but to me this particular thread is about the human toll the hostilities are taking and not the place for squabbling. JMO.

Nope your post was a deflection and a circular argument that has been answered time and time again. This thread is about a family, doctors and their children targeted by the IDF.

Children are dying, right now, at the hands of brutal occupiers who see them as less than human. Entire family lines are being wiped out. Doctors who dedicate their lives to healing are being targeted, erased from existence. One died in this bombing alongside his nine children, targeted at home. Over 1000 healthcare workers have been killed by the IDF during this genocide. At least two doctors were tortured to death in captivity. At least 160 remain in captivity in Israel. Over 18,000 children have been killed by the IDF. No where else on earth has as many child amputees.

They were not ‘targeted’. They were told to evacuate. Unlike everyone else in the area, they didn’t.

Why was that?

Mayaswell die by IDF airstrikes in the warmth and comfort of their home than take shelter in a school or a tent that they were "evacuated" to with other refugees and be bombed there.

I offered an explanation previously on the evacuation orders.
They are not given with enough warning. Giving evacuation orders does not give you carte blanche to start bombing residential areas. This is one of the reasons for the ICJ warrant.

Gaza has been bombed unbelievably. So if your building is standing where do you evacuate to? Most buildings are bombed, or they're stuffed to the gills with refugees. Buildings are damaged and not safe.
The "refugee camps" are completely full.
What do you do if you don't have a tent? Live in the horrendously crowded camp with no shelter (that probably has no space for you) or live on the street?
Tent areas are still bombed. Streets are bombed.
You may decide, with the absolutely stark choices facing you that "at least I have a building here, I might escape it being bombed".

Where do Gazans go exactly? Everywhere is full, full of people due to the immense loss of housing stock.

If you have no transport, how do you move your children and your basic necessities (food, something to cook on, pots, water holders, blankets).

If you're at work or trying to get food or supplies, what do you do? Gazans now have to walk miles for food and water.

If you're sick/injured/maimed, disabled have family who are sick, injured, maimed, disabled how do you physically move them? How do you move yourself?

If you're suffering from malnutrition doing anything is extremely laborious and tough on your body.

Giving evacuation orders in breach of international law is not a rationale or justification for bombing civilians. Don't just take it up with me but with the ICJ. Let Netanyahu go on trial and defend himself.

Exactly

Everyone else evacuated.

What are you suggesting @AIBUHere ?

Thank you for proving my point so perfectly I couldn't have scripted it better myself.

Notice what just happened: I pointed out that posters make ritual disclaimers about Hamas then return to obsessive focus on Israeli actions. Your response? Zero engagement with that observation. Instead, you've gone straight back to emotional appeals about "brutal occupiers" and "children dying right now."

You say this has been "answered time and time again" but you haven't answered it at all. You've deflected from it by claiming the thread is "about a family" - except this thread stopped being about that specific family dozens of posts ago when it became a general condemnation of Israeli war conduct and accusations of systematic genocide.

You've just recited a series of casualty figures as if they're established facts. But where do these numbers come from? The "18,000 children killed" - that's from the Hamas-controlled health ministry. The "1000 healthcare workers killed" - same source. These are the same people who initially claimed 500 died in the hospital blast that turned out to be a misfired rocket in a parking lot. These are the same people that committed such sexual atrocities on October 7 that this post might be deleted if I document them.

You're treating Hamas casualty reports as gospel truth while simultaneously ignoring them as a meaningful actor in this conflict. The same organisation that started this war, that uses hospitals as command centers, that maximises civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

You've just demonstrated exactly the pattern I described: emotional manipulation, unverified statistics from interested parties, and complete avoidance of engaging with the substance of what I said about the intellectual dishonesty of this discourse.

The fact that you can't even acknowledge this pattern exists - let alone examine it - proves it's not about the children at all. It is about demonising Israel.

Is there any chance @Biscuitsformeandyou you would set up a thread for your thoughts and leave the one about a woman who has lost her whole family alone?

I have read the same post written by you multiple times at this stage . It is clear you are very passionate on the subject perhaps it's own thread would give it the consideration you feel it deserves.

This thread stopped being about that specific family when it became genocide accusations and conspiracy theories about "hasbara apps." Nobody asked those posters to start separate threads. But when a person pushes back against it, they are asked to go elsewhere.

I just suggested it because you seem quite angry that people are not engaging with your "theories" on a thread like this so maybe it's own one would give it the airtime it deserves.

And while the thread has moved on when you posted this @AIBUHere was being asked why they suggested the victim of the thread title did not evacuate which is a very important point that I would hate to get lost.

Wow. Next thing you will suggest I am emotional. I am not angry and there is no need for sarcasm. Ultimately you don't have an answer for my 'theories" so you are telling me to go away.

Oh I can see you are not angry at all.

No bother I was only trying to help.

Some posts are so deluded basically that I think we are weary of breaking them down and answering their claims now. The numbers aren’t correct. We are all Hamas supporters. Look at Sudan.