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Conflict in the Middle East

Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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Namechangedformyanswer · 30/05/2025 10:35

mids2019 · 30/05/2025 10:21

October the 7th can be equated to a wide slapping her husband? Ah well.

Shocking that someone would make that comment. You can't engage with that level of ignorance.

Namechangedformyanswer · 30/05/2025 10:41

It's really not worth it @mids fortunately everyone doesn't think like that and realises that there are victims on both sides. I think that type of comment is why so few bother to engage anymore. The threads have very few posters now.

Have a great day.

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 11:01

If said earlier, maybe even on a previous thread, that I have to believe some posters are bots.
I have posted on similar threads and have to ask several times that my words were not twisted or quoted incorrectly. The same posters had no issue claiming the same was happening to them. And this seemed to be the default argument.
Frankly I'm fed up of being accused of x,y and z. That I'm some WASP/mid centre European or Palestinian terrorist apologist. That I'm hanging all my angst out on Israel. I'm actually none of those of things and the majority of the world's population aren't either.
The terrorist act upon Israel was abhorrent.
Holding hostages is abhorrent.
Corralling people into a small enclosed area is abhorrent.
Bombing and shooting so that 55,000 people is killed is abhorrent.
Bombing residential areas, including tents, schools and hospitals is abhorrent.
Withholding aid is abhorrent. Ensuring that people don't have access to clean water is abhorrent.
Corralling starving people in barbwired lanes in the heat and making them wait is abhorrent. Shooting at them is abhorrent.
Destroying aid from other countries is abhorrent - food and infrastructure.
Shuttling people about in a constricted area is abhorrent.
Deny people exit for medical treatment is abhorrent.
Bring accused of war crimes is abhorrent.
Removing people from villages and replacing them with settlements is abhorrent.
Chanting mobs attacking ordinary people is abhorrent.
Healthcare staff being arrested and disappeared for year+ is abhorrent.
Medical staff being fired on when trying to work and killed is abhorrent.

I can't type any more.
Do I expect better from Israel? Yes I do. It PAINS me to see this. I'm in solidarity with Israelis who are speaking out, protecting, saying this too.

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 11:16

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 30/05/2025 10:12

Israel is not the victim in this - it was a victim after 7 October but after killing 55k people with circa 20k kids it lost any rights to victimhood. It is like a domestic abuser after murdering his wife saying but my wife slapped me first - it is a pure DARVO tactic, reverse victim and offender. No one on this thread has said anything remotely anti semitic that I have seen - some of the loudest voices against Israel are jewish - this is not about religion it is about ethnic cleansing, it is about the murder of children.

Before we get side tracked again just look at the testimonials, look at the video evidence - children executed by Israeli snipers on a daily basis. Kill shots to the head and chest, tiny toddlers and babies dead. Children testifying that after surviving a bomb that quadcopters, operated by the IDF, came and hovered over them before shooting them. This is not one or two rogue IDF members this is on a daily basis. The circa 20,000 dead children is indisputable proof! Of course this tarnishes Israeli’s reputation, mass murder leaves a stain.

Where is the video evidence of children executed by Israeli snipers on a daily basis?

Still not seen any links posted on here.

Why are people on here quoting 55k dead as if they are all ‘innocent civilians’ and not one combatant among them? That rather exposes your agendas and I’m not sure who you think you preaching to, you are in your own little echo chamber.

The terrorist propaganda induced hysteria is getting more and more ridiculous by the day.

Have you ever heard of a war where no combatants were killed?

The despicable use of child soldiers by Hamas means that they will also be included in the massively inflated casualty figures which are totally unverified by any unbiased source btw.

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 11:37

Exactly what I mean.
I explained why I couldn't post links but I gave examples. Yesterday an American medic spoke to UN - this video is widely available. Also the Jon Snow interview.
I don't think this is a war. One side is wholly and vastly superior in all ways. That's not a war to me.
Yes, 55,000 people PEOPLE dead. PEOPLE.
What's your rationale for these figures being vastly inflated?
The highest number of child amputees in the world. The highest number of dead children.
Child soldiers?? That's a new one, haven't heard that on these threads before. If they are soldiers I suppose it's ok to kill them. Especially the ones under 12. 14? 16? 18?
Any wonder I have terrorist propaganda induced hysteria 😂😂😂 along with the VAST majority of the world's population.

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 11:39

And the ICC of course.

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 12:08

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 11:37

Exactly what I mean.
I explained why I couldn't post links but I gave examples. Yesterday an American medic spoke to UN - this video is widely available. Also the Jon Snow interview.
I don't think this is a war. One side is wholly and vastly superior in all ways. That's not a war to me.
Yes, 55,000 people PEOPLE dead. PEOPLE.
What's your rationale for these figures being vastly inflated?
The highest number of child amputees in the world. The highest number of dead children.
Child soldiers?? That's a new one, haven't heard that on these threads before. If they are soldiers I suppose it's ok to kill them. Especially the ones under 12. 14? 16? 18?
Any wonder I have terrorist propaganda induced hysteria 😂😂😂 along with the VAST majority of the world's population.

Why can’t you post links to videos you have stated you have SEEN which shows the IDF sniping children? Can’t see a post where you said you explained.

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 12:37

It's there.
Just like the war crimes warrant from the ICC. Which also exists.

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 12:45

If it’s ‘there’ please direct me to it if you’re not prepared to post links.

Otherwise I can only assume you are being disingenuous.

The warrant from the ICC is not evidence of anything and was obviously politically motivated.

It’s pretty much the same evidence wise as your non existent videos showing the IDF sniping kids.

Namechangedformyanswer · 30/05/2025 13:53

Sadly, many terrorist organisations have used child soldiers over the years. In Africa many terrorist groups use children as their soldiers. It's awful, but it's true and Hamas are no different to the other terrorist organisations.

Namechangedformyanswer · 30/05/2025 13:55

Just one example of a Palestinian mother who encouraged her children into terrorism

"Umm Nidal was a Palestinian militant who supported several of her sons in their armed attacks against Israel. She has been described by ABC News as having sent three of her sons on "suicide missions" and as a "mother of suicide bombers". According to Al Jazeera, one of her sons, who was 17 years old, was shot dead while conducting a shooting attack on an Israeli settlement with her approval, another was killed while preparing an attack and a third one was killed while transporting rockets. She said "I love my children, but as Muslims we pressure ourselves and sacrifice our emotions for the interest of the homeland. The greater interest takes precedence to the personal interest". She was later elected to the Palestinian legislature in 2006 on the Hamas-led Change and Reform electoral list

inamarina · 30/05/2025 14:57

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 11:37

Exactly what I mean.
I explained why I couldn't post links but I gave examples. Yesterday an American medic spoke to UN - this video is widely available. Also the Jon Snow interview.
I don't think this is a war. One side is wholly and vastly superior in all ways. That's not a war to me.
Yes, 55,000 people PEOPLE dead. PEOPLE.
What's your rationale for these figures being vastly inflated?
The highest number of child amputees in the world. The highest number of dead children.
Child soldiers?? That's a new one, haven't heard that on these threads before. If they are soldiers I suppose it's ok to kill them. Especially the ones under 12. 14? 16? 18?
Any wonder I have terrorist propaganda induced hysteria 😂😂😂 along with the VAST majority of the world's population.

One side is wholly and vastly superior in all ways.

Why did the weaker side initiate a horrendous terror attack on October 7th then? What did they think would happen?

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 15:04

Although I suffer from terrorist induced propaganda hysteria apparently, I'm not a Hamas member or supporter so I'm not privy to that. Maybe one of the child soldiers could be asked before they are shot?
Or - you could ask the members of the EU diplomatic delegation who were recently shot at, because clearly if they're shot at, they must be Hamas/shielding Hamas.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 30/05/2025 15:39

Wow this is a change of tact - so all the 20k kid dead and the child amputees are child soldiers- all the two year olds are in Hamas! I find it hard enough to get my toddler to brush her teeth or wear clothes. Honestly this is a new low!

Martymcfly24 · 30/05/2025 18:34

Harrowing stories @YourOnMute .

After seeing those the findings of the survey from War Child Alliance makes sense as it shows

  • 96% of children feel death is imminent
  • 92% of children are not accepting of reality,
  • 87% display severe fear,
  • 79% suffer from nightmares,
  • 77% of children avoid talking about traumatic events,
  • 73% of children exhibit symptoms of aggression,
  • 49% of children wish to die because of the war,
  • and many more show signs of withdrawal and severe anxiety, alongside a pervasive sense of hopelessness.
This was in December 2024 and as we know the situation is drastically worse since then.
Insanityisnotastrategy · 30/05/2025 18:41

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 12:45

If it’s ‘there’ please direct me to it if you’re not prepared to post links.

Otherwise I can only assume you are being disingenuous.

The warrant from the ICC is not evidence of anything and was obviously politically motivated.

It’s pretty much the same evidence wise as your non existent videos showing the IDF sniping kids.

I found the testimony of Nizam Mamode to be extremely compelling. Didn't you?

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 18:45

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 30/05/2025 15:39

Wow this is a change of tact - so all the 20k kid dead and the child amputees are child soldiers- all the two year olds are in Hamas! I find it hard enough to get my toddler to brush her teeth or wear clothes. Honestly this is a new low!

I absolutely did not say that but it may well account for some of the child fatalities and injuries (especially in older age groups up to 19) or are the IDF soldiers supposed to let them kill them first?

There’s no denying that tragically and horrifically many other children have been killed and injured due to their elders supporting and deliberately starting a war without providing any places of safety and in fact actively using them as human shields. Also no surrounding countries, such as Egypt, allowing women and child safe refuge which is the norm in any other war, no?

Where is the outrage for that?

I mean, are you denying the Palestinians deliberately started this war?

Are you also not outraged that child soldiers are being used as sacrifices for a cause they have been indoctrinated into, can’t fully understand the consequences of (they just die horribly as martyrs and don’t actually go to paradise) and presumably have been encouraged by their elders to participate in?

Or do you deny that this happens despite evidence to the contrary?

Mosab Hassan Yousef, who was a Palestinian child and grew up in the WEST BANK where Hamas has less of a presence than in Gaza, has spoken out on many occasions at risk to his life about the abuse and indoctrination of children in Palestinian society and there are enough videos easily found online of kids ‘terrorist camps’ in Gaza to validate that.

I find it absolutely baffling that people who haven’t even stepped foot in the region and have never experienced the reality that he has from both sides, are in such sinister denial, that they can dismiss his lived experiences.

Do you think this is legitimate ‘resistance’?

Interested to know why you seem to be ignoring it and have no comment on it as usual but seem to jump in to try to put words in my mouth which aren’t there.

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AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 18:54

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 30/05/2025 17:59

Heart breaking article about some of the children killed in the last week. They pointed out that 20x more children have been killed in Gaza than the Ukraine - it is the worst in the world for child fatalities!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/may/30/gaza-two-family-tragedies-childhoods-cut-short-israeli-airstrikes

It is heartbreaking but that’s probably because Ukrainians don’t use children as pawns for their cause, for human shields and as child soldiers after they have been indoctrinated in terrorist training camps.

Also the majority of Ukrainian children in the war zone were able to flee the war to safety in other countries.

Why not Gazan children?

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 19:00

Can the Gazan children not move into Israel for safety? Genuine question..can Israel not let in genuine refugees?

Martymcfly24 · 30/05/2025 19:11

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 18:54

It is heartbreaking but that’s probably because Ukrainians don’t use children as pawns for their cause, for human shields and as child soldiers after they have been indoctrinated in terrorist training camps.

Also the majority of Ukrainian children in the war zone were able to flee the war to safety in other countries.

Why not Gazan children?

because Ukrainians don’t use children as pawns for their cause

Wow more dehumanizing language. Sure why are they mourning their dead children they are only pawns not real children. And anyway it's their parents fault they are dead.

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 19:15

Insanityisnotastrategy · 30/05/2025 18:41

I found the testimony of Nizam Mamode to be extremely compelling. Didn't you?

It was compelling and extremely upsetting but factually nothing he said was verifiable evidence that children had been deliberately targeted by the IDF in his testimony.

Also he stated he never saw any evidence of terrorist activity in the Nasser Hospital but they were obviously there despite that.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byax2sfayg

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3y046q91no.amp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68304979.amp

A fire on the outside staircase of Nasser Hospital throws up smoke as three people watch from higher steps

Israel kills Hamas official in hospital, as Gaza death toll climbs - BBC News

Ismail Barhoum is one of the most senior Hamas figures killed since Israel resumed military action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3y046q91no.amp

AIBUHere · 30/05/2025 19:38

YourOnMute · 30/05/2025 19:00

Can the Gazan children not move into Israel for safety? Genuine question..can Israel not let in genuine refugees?

Why can’t they go into Egypt?

Why would you suggest they move into Israel after allegations of genocide and deliberate starvation and the targeted killing of children by Israel?

Surely they are safer in a neutral country?

Egypt is not at war with Hamas or Israel. It’s not like they don’t have space.

Egypt’s border is 12 km away. Their argument is that displaced Palestinians may not be allowed back into Gaza. Doesn’t make sense if there is evidence of ethnic cleansing and an ongoing genocide of Palestinians and Israel’s goal is to wipe them out.

Why hasn’t this been part of a ceasefire deal that Israel must let them back, which I absolutely agree with, but without Hamas and with an international peacekeeping interim government until they can elect and set up their own administration.

Has this been on the table?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68375460.amp

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