Have the events of the last couple of days changed your mind on the Israel/Gaza crisis?

[BaMamma]

Not only, but including, the macabre theatre with the coffins of the Bibas babies, Oded Lifshitz, and, as we now know, a currently anonymous Palestinian woman.

The locked coffins with no keys.

The antisemitic poster of Netanyahu as a blood sucking vampire.

The celebrations in Gaza, happy, joyful people surrounding those coffins., children dancing, parents smiling.

The 'mix-up' over Shiri Bibas body.

The discovery that the babies were murdered, not killed in an airstrike.

Does any of that change your mind about the rightness of your position on Israel and Palestine/Gaza?

Honestly WTAF!

You mean Israel leave Gazans alone while they fire rockets, blow themselves up and hundred of Israelis up in suicide bombings, go on stabbing sprees, kill whole families in their beds, invade Israel, rape, mutilate, slaughter, take dead and living bodies hostage, murder them, and strangle baby hostages (staring right into their faces) then multilate their dead bodies, and keep the bodies for years?

Carry on indoctrinating their children for more of the same, which is horrific child abuse, no?

Why do you think Israel AND Egypt erected blockade walls around Gaza?

How is it bizarre?

Surely it’s simple logic if as @DelaneysOnTheWineAgain states that Palestinians don’t want to leave their home which has been, and still is, occupied by a barbaric terrorist government for 18 years that most of them didn’t vote for and which deliberately brought a horrific war onto them to kill as many of them as possible, and Hamas, as it is said, cannot be removed and it’s ongoing indoctrination will take and/or blight their children’s lives for further generations.

Millions of people are displaced by war. It’s nothing new. There are many Palestinians all over the world already who left before this current conflict.

Wouldn’t you leave? I’d be out of there with my kids as fast as my chubby legs could carry me if I was offered the chance of a new life in safety and peace in a country which speaks the same language, has the same culture and religion, even the same food! Hell, I’d have definitely have sought out a few hostages for $5 million a pop and run even faster to tell the IDF where they were.

Wouldn’t you?

I think it’s a mistake to think Palestinians have the same culture as surrounding countries. Do you feel the same as the Dutch or French or Germans? Or if you feel language is what makes “culture” what about the states or Canada? I mean most people wouldn’t embrace being forcibly removed to somewhere very different to hame because some foreign power thought they were “just the same” as a totally different country.

@PhoenixResurrected
Because they don't want to leave their homes. Forcing mass displacement on them and pretending it's a favour is not an ethical solution to the conflict. It's also irresponsible to foist a population with high levels of radicalisation onto other countries in the area.

I am inclined to agree with you by now, Wildflowers.
The Western and Israeli (far right, Likud party followers) positions are irreconcilable. Our values are different, to a point that we see white where you see black and viceversa.

Oh well if there's plenty of Muslim states surrounding the Jewish state that makes it all OK then doesn't it, let the Palestinians be displaced in whatever Muslim country will take them in, who takes their land when they're gone then I wonder, let me guess..

I'm sure you'll figure it out

It’s not ‘their land’. The original people of Gaza were the Semites - the common ancestor of Jewish and Palestinian people. Neither has an ancestral claim to it more than the other.

It isn’t “their land” - and given there are over 50 Muslim states you’d think just ONE wanted to take them in? I wonder why not. People are being displaced all over the world yet people only get angry when they think they can blame the Jews

But it is their home. I agree it happens in other places, but that's hardly ideal is it? You're right, nowhere else gets anything like the attention. But that doesn't make this a viable solution, you'd have to get the agreement of both the people in Gaza and other countries taking them, neither of which looks likely to me in the least.

Yep. 50 Islamic states (many of whom are MUCH bigger than Israel), one tiny Jewish state, and people want to wrangle it away from them because ‘displacing people is wrong’ despite the fact virtually everywhere (including most of the aforementioned Islamic states) was seized through conquest?

No one here is wanting to wrangle Israel away from the Jews who live there!

No but you’re supporting a population who voted in a terrorist governance who do

By that analogy, the UK isn't "the land of" most of the Muslim (never mind probably most of the rest of the population). Would you prefer that they be relocated to other Muslim countries? Should we all reside in countries according to our religion/lack of religion? What kind of world would that be? Are you aware there are other religions too which do not have a "homeland" state - the bahais for example. And as an aside, are you aware by the way, that cultures in all those 50 or so Muslim countries you refer to is different, language is not the same, etc?

Of course not; but then Muslims in this country don’t routinely fire rockets, take hostages and commit large scale mass murder.

That’s the issue, not multiculturalism

A primary school take on the matter.

What? This doesn't make any sense. If we are going to decide whether to support a population based on their leaders then nobody should be supporting Israel either.

Ethnic cleansing is quite a black and white issue. People who try and justify it get into all sorts of knots to make it seem like it isn't.

Now that is a primary school take on the issue.

Well yes, using the ‘black and white’ logic as quoted by you. So is it?

Muslims, Jews and Christian’s lived in Palestine before the invention of Israel.

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