Have the events of the last couple of days changed your mind on the Israel/Gaza crisis?

[BaMamma]

Not only, but including, the macabre theatre with the coffins of the Bibas babies, Oded Lifshitz, and, as we now know, a currently anonymous Palestinian woman.

The locked coffins with no keys.

The antisemitic poster of Netanyahu as a blood sucking vampire.

The celebrations in Gaza, happy, joyful people surrounding those coffins., children dancing, parents smiling.

The 'mix-up' over Shiri Bibas body.

The discovery that the babies were murdered, not killed in an airstrike.

Does any of that change your mind about the rightness of your position on Israel and Palestine/Gaza?

Why is it vile?

No, they’re not. Nobody is. We don’t allocate land according to who lived there in the past and when. Otherwise the Reform voters would have a point in saying ‘Britain is for the British’ and that nobody can immigrate here because it’s ‘ours’.

It ain’t going to happen. You cannot just transfer 2 million people.
I also agree that it would just create a bigger headache for Israel.

Former US envoy Ben Shapiro to Israel

“I can understand the appeal of it to some Israelis who might say, 'well, yeah, it might make our problem of 2 million Palestinians disappear and make the United States own this problem so we don't have to worry about it.' But that doesn't make it any more serious. It's not going to happen."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/podcasts/2025-02-23/ty-article-podcast/former-u-s-envoy-dan-shapiro-trumps-gaza-plan-isnt-serious-and-isnt-going-to-happen/00000195-336a-d641-abfd-b76ab8370000

So you’re saying that Gazans WANT to be occupied by barbaric terrorists, who MOST Gazans didn’t vote in, and openly say they want as many of them to be killed as possible for their extremism ideology and cause?

That is horrific and they obviously need someone else to step in and make better decisions for them for the sake of the 50% population of Palestinian children who deserve to have a childhood and grow into adulthood without living under a horrific terrorist regime that indoctrinates them to want to kill their neighbours, and commits executions of their own people in the street, or deliberately invites war into their homes.

Do you not agree?

@DelaneysOnTheWineAgain
thats a real twisting of your words 😂

I’m saying it’s the choice of Palestinians how they live
Not the Israeli Governments right to dictate what that is.

I know
Im going to give up now responding to comments that twist or what about
Speak as you wish to be spoken to face to face….I like to think.

Then I'm sure the Israels would happily leave their homeland if it was suggested to them, if a Jewish state could be established elsewhere for them

Honestly if I actually drank wine as my username I’d probably have downed a few bottles by now 🤣🤣 In despair.

1. who would you displace so they could move elsewhere, and why do they matter less than Palestinians?
2. no, because Jerusalem is in Israel. Would you force Muslims to give up Mecca? Why are Jews the only people not allowed their sacred spiritual home?

Of course it's not going to happen, it'll be a disappointing realisation for some people on here though

Well the rhetoric on here is that Hamas cannot be eradicated, they cannot be held responsible for anything they do because they’re not a democratic nation like Israel, and however many terrorists are eradicated more will just take their place so………..

I suppose Israel just needs to stop whining when its citizens are savagely slaughtered and taken hostage, take down the iron dome, let the rockets rain down, stop arming themselves and dismantle the IDF (not fair Israel has an proper army after all) remove the blockade and just lay down and wait………

And that’s your response to my post about removing Palestinians from their home against their will is ethnic cleansing ?

oh ok then

So it doesn't matter what Netanyahu said then does it? I mean, Donald Trump wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. Mexicans have not invaded Texas and enacted a genocide in response.

If Netanyahu thwarted peace for his own political gain, that is on him and his conscience. The aftermath of October 7 is not his fault. The despicable events were not a legitimate way of resisting him, or Israel. Nothing justifies the awfulness of that day. So many people, butchered inhumanely.

Maybe the marches could shift their focus to the return and release of the hostages. Pressure on Hamas and Hamas affiliates in Gaza could be a better way to bring about peace. Sixteen months of weekly marches don't appear to have been successful so far, why not adjust the message?

1. Who would you displace so the Palestinians could move elsewhere, and why do they matter less than Israelis?
2. I never said I would force anyone to give up anything, you're the one who implied nobody was entitled to the land beneath their feet, so I'm assuming you meant Israelis also?

I dont actually agree with anyone being displaced, but you do

Israel have spent a year absolutely bombarding gaza and killing its people in the most horrific ways. There's going to be swathes of young people and children with horrific ptsd and mental health problems from what they've experienced who will be completely vulnerable to being radicalised.
It's not a case of wishy washy hopes for peace. The violence will only perpetuate more violence. 33,000 kids have been orphaned.

What a bizarre post.

I agree. The quickest way to end it is for the hostages to be returned and Hamas given up by the people of Gaza.

Irrelevant
You asked if October 7th was justified resistance

I believe October 7th wasn’t justified

What Netanyahu believes, what maps he draws to remove the Palestinians from Gaza, his words that everyone in Gaza is Hamas, IG actions for decades
are all completely relevant to what is happening now.
They existed before October 7th and they continue to exist.

We cannot ignore his beliefs as the leader of Israel and I’m amazed anyone would think he is irrelevant in this conflict but
its entirely your choice 🤷‍♀️ Of course

Agree, I thought I misunderstood something there so appreciate your post
Im really bemused too

Everything that has happened in the last 16 months is a direct result of October 7. Netanyahu didn't do it. Hamas, their affiliates and Gazan civilians did. They were proud of it.

Or
Or for Palestinian detainees to be set free ( you didn’t include them )
Hostages to be set free
Israel to leave Gazans alone

You see it works both ways

Honestly if it was all that simple re your post and mine we wouldn’t all be here talking about it and tens of thousands wouldn’t be killed and homeless.

Plenty of Muslim states surrounding the only Jewish state though. Not very inclusive not to want that tiny state there is it? Some might call that apartheid or even ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people who lived there before 1948 and since? Oh but Jewish people WERE ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Muslim states weren’t they?

Would the Jewish people be allowed back in to visit their ancient holy sites do you think? What about the 2 million Arab Israelis who choose to live in Israel, where would they go?

The Palestinians could have created another Muslim state next door in 1948. The Arab population were offered the land to. Or even between 1948 and 1967 when Gaza and the West Bank was occupied by other majority Muslim states. Another bad decision causing unimaginable catastrophe, thousands of deaths to their population and resigning the current generation of children to grow up in the horror that is Hamas and the PIJ.

Your first sentence

You can’t just steal something because its not fair that others have something that you want.

We’re not dealing with 3 year olds arguing over a toy here
Thats simply not an argument to justify this war

You removed Hamas being given up but kept the releasing of hostages? Surely that is a minimum expectation for an end to hostilities.

As far as I'm aware the Palestinian detainees weren't all kidnapped on the same day due to multiple attacks on innocent civilians in their homes or at music festivals. Any one of the massacres committed that day would have been standalone awful, the sum of them all is heartbreaking.

I think Israel would like nothing more than to leave Gaza alone. Unfortunately, she keeps being attacked from there.