Have the events of the last couple of days changed your mind on the Israel/Gaza crisis?

[BaMamma]

Not only, but including, the macabre theatre with the coffins of the Bibas babies, Oded Lifshitz, and, as we now know, a currently anonymous Palestinian woman.

The locked coffins with no keys.

The antisemitic poster of Netanyahu as a blood sucking vampire.

The celebrations in Gaza, happy, joyful people surrounding those coffins., children dancing, parents smiling.

The 'mix-up' over Shiri Bibas body.

The discovery that the babies were murdered, not killed in an airstrike.

Does any of that change your mind about the rightness of your position on Israel and Palestine/Gaza?

But isn’t that what you’re doing? Raising awareness via the mainstream media? How are marches ‘raising awareness’ if not by hoping the events will be published where many people can read about them?

Thats like someone saying "oct 7 is all we hear about, it has received 100 times the coverage of atrocities in Nigeria, or Sudan, do you even know whats happening there?"

Not nice is it?

I think you will find there are many in fear of Hamas too.

Glad you find my comment amusing Liv999

I think you will find they are mostly in fear of the Israeli attacks destroying their homes, hospitals, schools , killing and severely injuring thousands upon thousands of them.

Not what thousands of people on the marches think 🤔

Yes of course and they do raise awareness which is good.

The point is our government has aided Israeli in the bombing of gaza and people want them to stop. The main agenda was calling for a cease fire and to put pressure on the government.

There were also lots of protests around the world for people in support of Israel. I have been to several vigils and lit candles for the hostages. They too had an agenda for what they wanted to achieve.

October 7 has only received the coverage it has because of the ensuing events.

@ssd

Good point

Whilst the marches have the unintended consequences of being threatening to Jewish people in London, there is also control of the message. There are people who find support for Palestinians unacceptable and want to shut down anything that highlights their plight.

What about the very first march that was organised when Israel was still being attacked? That cannot have been about the plight of Gaza, on October 7 Israel was trying to stop her people being massacred.

Like the whole of the mainstream media?

Also, why have the marches never called for the return of the hostages? World pressure on Hamas to return them?

There have been marches, hunger strikes and demonstrations about the plight of the Palestinians going back in time well before October 7th.

I'm glad you found mine amusing earlier too 👍

You won’t get a response to that..

The marches are a show of solidarity and support for the people living in Gaza. More importantly they are a voice to our leaders and the leaders of other countries that people do not support their support for the Israeli Governments actions against the Palestinian people.
Of note
There is rarely any sign of marchers holding up pictures of either the hundreds of detainees or the hostages.
The marches are calling for the war to stop. A more significant request as in so doing negotiations will lead to the release of all.
This isn’t just about releasing hostages, this is about stopping the war and some sort of peaceful solution.

Five Israeli wars have been launched on Gaza since it disengaged from the enclave in 2005, aside from smaller incursions and bombing raids. Before October 7, Israel said its policy was to “mow the lawn” – attempts to degrade Hamas's military capabilities by indiscriminately bombing Gaza every few years..... Quick Google search will tell you why

There were loads of protests in America about Palestine and they just elected Trump, who posted the most insane video I've ever seen about the future of Gaza. So did those even protests help the cause? I'd argue the opposite. The more blinkered people are about the very unsavoury elements, the more there is a negative reaction. The US is more extreme but I think the nature of these protests is only sowing division over here too.

@1WanderingWomble
why do you think it’s insane? You think moving on Palestinians to elsewhere is the only answer. This video is the AI version of what you desire.

Excuse me? I haven't said that anywhere.

@DelaneysOnTheWineAgain

"This isn’t just about releasing hostages, this is about stopping the war and some sort of peaceful solution."

Then surely releasing the hostages first would be a positive first step in stopping the war and creating the framework for a peaceful solution?

It was the full and unwavering support for everything the Israeli authorities do. You said what do you want them to do kind of thing.

I could only assume you also support the removal of the Palestinians from Gaza.

🙄 Cool. You're not worth talking to then.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? Thousands of lives would have been saved if the hostages had been returned alive early on during the war. Hamas didn't care how many civilians died as long as they hung on to the hostages..

And don't @ me that Netanyahu delayed their release. If the majority had been returned safe and well he wouldn't have been able to continue the bombing campaign. There was a limit to what the previous US government would have supported and the release of the hostages would have meant a drying up of American support.

Do you really still think this was about the hostages ? Are you listening to the families of some of the hostages? Did you hear the initial goals of the war? they were going to distroy Hamas.

The vast majority of hostages were released by negotiation not bombs. Israel accepted a ceasefire on the table months ago. I’m honestly baffled by this unwavering support for everything that government does.