Gaza death toll rises to close to 62000 as missing added

[Lalaloveya]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/gaza-death-toll-rises-close-to-62000-as-missing-added

The new death toll includes 17,881 children, including 214 newborn infants.

At least 1,155 medical personnel, 205 journalists and 194 civil defence workers are reported to have been killed.

More than 2million people have been displaced and 111,588 people injured.

What happened on Oct 7 was the responsibility of Hamas, what happened for the next 15 months was the responsibility of the IDF and the Israeli Government, simple

So you don't think Hamas is responsible for the deaths of civilians in Gaza?

Only if you believe actions don't have consequences.

That's simply not the case when it comes to conflict. There are many conflicts fought to protect civilians from their governments. The fact that Hamas put civilians in harms way does not absolve Israel from killing them.

So are you saying Israel deserved what it got then? That 7th Oct was the consequence of its decades long actions? Or does that only apply when Israel are murdering children?

@dairydebris I think Hamas is responsible for the deaths of civilians on Oct 7th. They are also responsible for putting the people of Gaza in jeopardy. The IDF and Israeli government are responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza. I don't see how it can be otherwise.

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You are infantilising Hamas by not holding them accountable for what they've bought upon their own people.
But I haven't done that. I have said Hamas are responsible for triggering the conflict. The Isreali government and the IDF are responsible for how they responded

Any soldier who has been targeting and shooting children is a monster- agreed.
The deaths of so many innocent Palestinian civilians - especially children- is a terrible tragedy. War is an appalling thing. It’s nearly always the innocent and vulnerable who suffer.

Tbh I find your position illogical.
If you think Hamas were responsible for triggering the conflict then why can’t you see that they are also ( at least partly ) responsible for the consequences ?

So the narrative has now changed from "they are exaggerating the numbers" to "they made us do it".

I think those who do the killing are responsible for it, yes.

Shame on Hamas - agreed.

Shame on Israel too.

And shame on those who man the internet with the sole intent of dehumanizing Palestinians people.

None of the above cover themselves in glory or come across as anything other than terrorists and race supremacists.

God help those people who have lived through this trauma.

Because the Isreali government and IDF are responsible for how they conducted the conflict. Responsible for committing war crime after war crime, responsible for restricting humanitarian aid, responsible for using 2000lb bombs, responsible for sniping children, killing journalists, killing humanitarian staff.

No - I don’t think it’s about exonerating the IDF of responsibility. I think it’s about acknowledging the role Hamas played in bringing such terrible destruction to Gaza.
Remember Hamas are STILL holding hostages.
Despite all the suffering of the Palestinians they would not return the hostages . So I do think they are culpable.

I agree.

So sad 😞

Yet again on a thread about tens of thousands of Palestinians being killed by the state of Israel all the talk is about Hamas being to blame. It's so tiresome.

We know what Hamas are to blame for. I'm pretty sure people on these threads are in agreement about Hamas.

But Israel killed these people and in many many cases they did so whilst committing crimes against humanity. So on a thread about these deaths blaming them shouldn't be controversial.

Are you saying you think the many depraved actions of October 7 are in any way a normal response??

What about the rocket misfire by Hamas/PIJ that blew up a hospital?

Yeah Hamas and their supporters have really done themselves no help. Especially the Palestinian people who have helped keep hostages etc…
A high death toll is what Hamas wanted and they sure have done that. What a shame.

Shame on the Israeli government, slaughtering men, women, children and babies in order to keep a criminal (Netanyahu) out of jail.

Shame of the people who turn away from 60,000 plus dead, in order defend a corrupt government that bombed its neighbour back to the Middle Ages so that they could camouflage the fact that they fucked up royally by not securing their own border?

Shame on the country that gets just under 4 billion US a year but cannot secure their boarder?

Shame on the sexist wankers who refused to listen to their female soldiers on that border who clocked and reported that something was being prepped.

Shame on Hamas for starting the whole debacle and their atrocious attack on Israeli civilians who were just enjoying a day out.

Shame on all of us.

Everybody has lost in this endeavor; it is a STAIN on humanity.

Nope.

These deaths are due to Israeli vengeance.

It was not, by any metric, a reasonable response.

@Lalaloveya I think it's possibly binary thinking? For some, if Hamas should be blamed that means Israel must be blame free, so thinking in extreme, mutually exclusive and black and white terms.