Gaza death toll rises to close to 62000 as missing added

[Lalaloveya]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/gaza-death-toll-rises-close-to-62000-as-missing-added

The new death toll includes 17,881 children, including 214 newborn infants.

At least 1,155 medical personnel, 205 journalists and 194 civil defence workers are reported to have been killed.

More than 2million people have been displaced and 111,588 people injured.

Really? Hamas wanted thousands and thousands of Palestinians dead? their own leaders to be killed? Sinwar, Haniyeh, Deif?

We can say the Russians know a bot farm when they see it. They are very skilled in this area of cyber warfare.

I also don’t agree that Hamas both knew & wanted the IDF to commit such atrocties. You’re either demonising a ragtag terror group into some sort of evil mastermind that has the ability to see into the future and control multiple more powerful nation states or you are basically calling Israelis, Americans and many Europeans stupider than a bag of rocks to be so easily manipulated by Hamas into mass murder of civilians.

I think quite a few people need to read this.

I feel sorry for the innocent people on both sides of this conflict - mostly the children. It’s so desperately sad.

“I also don’t agree that Hamas both knew & wanted the IDF to commit such atrocties”
Really? You think Hamas thought Israel would just accept what happened on Oct 7th and accept the fact that scores of their citizens were taken hostage?
What about their Iranian paymasters? Do you think they were oblivious to the possibility of terrible repercussions for Palestinians?

Im afraid they didn’t care at all whether thousands died . Many of the senior Hamas leadership were safely in other countries.

But war is literally the deliberate murder of the opposing party.

how many members of Hamas have been Killed ? Aka the opposing party? From the videos in the last few days the releases it doesn’t look like Hamas has been murdered. What have been killed are 214 newborns and 17k children. Do you know any war where these many children have been killed?

You are. Hamas propaganda.

I encourage you to look into what happened in the Vietnam War, the Korean War, WW2, the Rwandan genocide, Nagasaki, Dresden, ISIS, and countless others. Each has its own unique features yes, but each is utterly awful in it's own way. Gaza is now part of this list, it doesn't stand on its own.

I don't even know where to start with your characterizations of Hamas as unwitting victims... that's a new one.

No, I do not think that either.
There is an ocean of infinite possible responses between just accept and do nothing versus the other extreme of what Israel did do and is doing.

You cannot be serious to query this post 🎗️

Elaborate on what is Hamas propaganda? Pretty baseless accusation otherwise

I am well versed on military history. Doesn’t affect my point that the civilian casualty rate in Gaza is the highest known of any post WWII conflict.

I have neither said nor implied that Hamas are victims, witless or otherwise.

Are you suggesting there isn’t such a thing as Hamas propaganda 🙄

For one thing - the dreadful ceremonies attached to each hostage release = Hamas propaganda

Did you really see this coming? This genocide?

I have been aware of the Palestinian struggle my whole life and I didn't see this level of savagery coming from Israel in a million years. I mean I knew Israel would seek revenge on civilians, obviously, because that's how they always behave, but I never thought that 15 months of crimes against humanity would ensue. And I never thought they'd openly deny healthcare, food and water and be allowed to get away with it. Or be supported in their barbarism by western countries that consider themselves to be civilised.

Half of these boards seems to have seen it coming though. The same side who defend it usually.

1. I’ve not defended the Israeli response as I think the intensity and scale was excessive.
2. It sounds as if you are trying to excuse Hamas from any accountability by saying :“Well, they knew there would be a fierce response and civilians would die but they didn’t realise THIS many civilians would die so you can’t blame them in any way”

Yes, the hostage release events with their victory banners are an obvious example of Hamas propaganda.

But getting back to the OP and the death toll of Gaza.
The footage of dismembered and dead Palestinian babies and children backed up by the eye witness accounts of dozens of international doctors working for humanitarian agencies in Gaza was not Hamas propaganda.

You can rest assured that the death tolls are not being exaggerated.

I’ve not said the death tolls were exaggerated ( or even thought it)
I have no doubt the Palestinian suffering is very real and agonising
I do hold Hamas responsible ( as well as the excessive response of the Israeli government)

@Lalaloveya It's so true that nobody could have foreseen things like cutting off food and water to the population and that western countries would agree to it. It's also a shock to see safe zones bombed, hospitals attacked, and power cut off so that babies die. I never thought such destructive bombs would be used either. Or that prisoners would be raped and that politicians would say it's a good thing. It's shocking that a war was carried out on a captive population with no chance to leave, not even the children. I do agree that, whilst I knew there would be a terrible response, I never imagined how awful it has turned out to be.

@OpheliaWasntMad
I know you did not, but the poster you are defending did and their post has been deleted as a result.

Ok - I wouldn’t have defended a statement that minimised the suffering of the Palestinians. I didn’t see it .
My point is simply that Hamas’ role in their suffering seems to be overlooked. The grandstanding and aggression shown during the hostage release has confirmed my view that Hamas doesn’t care how much the innocent Palestinian civilians suffer.

Makes you wonder why none of the civilians were in bomb shelters or in the underground tunnels. That's how civilians are kept safe during a war.

Israel were bombing the tunnels! Why would Civilians go to the tunnels to be bombed? Anyone found in a tunnel would automatically be assumed as a Hamas member and killed.

Civilians were directed to safe zones with the understanding that they would be safe there. These zones were over cramped and often lacking basic infrastructure and unsafe. Think hundreds of people using one toilet. But there wasn't much point as Israel still bombed them there.

After forcibly displacing them there.