Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

I have never understood why they were in it in the first place? I wholeheartedly agree they shouldn't be in it now though!

Very good question as to why some people on here seem to equate criticism of the state of Israel with antisemitism against Jews.

Israel is similar to many extreme rights abusing states who seek to engage in international sporting and cultural events as part of a PR strategy to make them appear democratic and rights respecting and fun. It's propaganda and it's being done in order to create a false image and so carry on with really awful abuses. I don't understand why people who love the thing itself - Eurovision, literature (in the case of the Dubai literary festival as another example) would want to collude in that.

You’re not comparing like with like. The number over the same time frame is a 10th of the number of people killed in Gaza.

Real friends tell each other when they are in the wrong. Israel is very very wrong.

This appears to have reasonable sources - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2021)

When the war crimes and crimes against humanity stop, I don't see why Israel can't participate.
I apply this. btw. to any country who deliberately breaks international laws in the name of self defence, laws they signed up to.
Sorry but I find it immoral that someone can sing their heart out whilst their fellow countrymen/ women carry out, as the Pope put it, acts of cruelty.

The pope 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Any random Joe can tell you that what Israel is doing is cruelty. More than that, it's depraved, inhumane sadism.

In the past month alone, Israel has bombed safe zones EIGHT times. You know those small pockets of areas where they forcibly herd civilians into, in small flimsy tents. And then once they are all in, then proceeds to bomb them. That is called barbarism.

Do you find cruelty hilarious?

@Auvergne63 Do you find sanctimony good?

Actually @Auvergne63 do you find child abuse hilarious? Do you find appeasement holy

Please don't quote the pope. There's a reason people view the Catholic Church with derision and disgust

You call it sanctimony, I call it uprightness.
I used to tell my pupils that to use the word "good" showed a lack of vocabulary and that there were many adjectives that were more pertinent to employ.

Again, Genocide is an act with the INTENT to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group through such acts as enumerated as a-e of Art. II of the Genocide Convention.

The tragedy that Palestinians face and suffer is very real. However, the culpability for placing Palestinians in harms way lies with Hamas for utilising humanitarian areas to fight from. The conduct of Hamas as a belligerent matters. Their use of civilian infrastructure to fight from has been well-documented for years. It isn't a new concept.

Honesty is an important place to start.

If you’ve killed a lot of people without that intent you have not committed Genocide.

Ireland it seems would disagree with you and your argument of intent. What Ireland’s action (in seeking to broaden the intent requirement) does highlight however, is that under the current definition of Genocide along with the interpretations from precedents, Israel is NOT committing Genocide.

@Auvergne63 good for you. As long as it makes you feel good, then it's all good.

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Nice deflection here.
I will quote whoever I want to and whenever I want to. Trying to curtail freedom of speech is in bad taste.

You will find that all religions and belief systems ( if they have been around long enough) have done things that are shameful and wrong.

Your final sentence sounds as if you think the Catholic Church is uniquely flawed . It smacks of prejudice and bigotry.

My dutch friend who I was with, has mutual acquaintances with Joost. They were expressing concerns about how he would cope with the pressure long before the event and he clearly had clauses in his contract designed to protect him which were ultimately ignored.

So I think there's a rather complicated situation there and things happened that should not have (as per his contract) and he went boom. And the person concerned made a bigger thing of it than they should have. But ultimately when the EBU and the police looked into it, they've seen that there's no case to answer because he was put in a position he shouldnt have been and he was failed too.

I don't actually think it was really about his political views and silencing him for that reason.

Tbh in the long run it's not harmed his career. It's given him cult like status in the Netherlands and he's selling even more records. He had his dream of being at Eurovision though not competing in the final. I wouldn't be surprised if he popped up with a guest appearance in a few years time. But not next year. So like Dadi he will get his moment.

He was brilliant onstage but actually I don't think his vocals were quite up to it. He was a runner up and don't think destined to win. Either way he's now in the Eurovision Hall of legends - some of which are remembered more than the winners.

Do you mean me? Or Madame?

Patronising, much?

@wholettheturnipsburn not you my petite pois ;)

Well if Slovenia demand it we must all obey!
I demand Israel participate! There, 1 for 1 against.
Also , I seem to remember Israel absolutely smashing 'the peoples vote' last year 🤷🏽‍♂️. Seems I'm not the only one disagreeing with Slovenia...

I'm digging out my Israeli flag again for May

The way their poor singer was treated last year was disgusting. Although nothing surprising about the pro hamas lot