Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

the gaslighting is really extreme at times.

100% this!

The term “Genocide” was coined by Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin after the holocaust as there wasn’t a word for wanting to murder a whole people for no reason other than hate. Therefore, to accuse Israel of Genocide is particularly egregious.

You might not care what it is called but words do matter, especially since South Africa has taken Israel to the ICJ on the accusation of Genocide and when Ireland a year later has sought to broaden the intent requirement. It is a bizarre move by Ireland as by seeking to broaden the requirement, essentially indicates they don’t think Israel is committing Genocide as the law and interpretations stand.

Do feel free to point out any areas of disinformation in my post. There aren’t any.

You can have empathy and compassion for innocent Palestinians suffering without being blinded to blame the victims of what started this.

It was Hamas who acted with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, Jews/Israelis as a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.

And the Lemkin institute for the prevention of genocide have said many times that israels aggression in Gaza constitutes as genocide

https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-why-we-call-the-israeli-attack-on-gaza-genocide

I don't know why some of you are just more comfortable calling it mass slaughter or whatever but regardless, israel most certainly should not be allowed to compete.

@Whatsinanamehey touche!

The good old arguments "They started it" and they made us do it".

I think the argument that Israel couldn't possibly be committing genocide because Jewish people were previously subject to a genocide is a particularly weak and frankly illogical point. I've heard Netanyahu make it too.

There is concern that under the current narrow interpretation of genocide no crimes against humanity could amount to genocide if they take place within an existing armed conflict. You are suggesting it's antisemitic to want to include such cases. That was the dangerous disinformation I alluded to.

Both nations have arrest warrants out for their leaders for war crimes, so not so different.

I really hope they are removed, but the genocide will still continue

Israel is still trying to get the kids (and others) back who were taken and held by terrorists.

Having the UN side with the terrorists hasn't stopped the search and rescue so I doubt that being excluded from a song contest would.

"Their leaders have been charged with crimes against humanity. That should be enough to bar them"

Well I'm in the UK where we don't consider an accusation to be proof of guilt.

A bit old fashioned I know, but I'm going to stick with it since we made quite an effort in this country to be as enlightened and as civilised as we could and it would be a shame to abandon it too quickly and sink to the level accepted elsewhere.

On a personal note if I am ever kidnapped I expect my government to do whatever it takes to rescue me and no matter how many terrorists and sympathisers they have to kill in the process. Even if I am killed in the process that's better than being abandoned.

If I'm beaten and abused and stuck down a hole somewhere I want and expect to hear bombs dropping and my terrified captors running for their lives.

It is a fact that Hamas willingly started the war on 7 October 2023.

And what about everything before that from Israel towards Palestine?

Yet again Israel is condemned for doing what any other nation would do under the circumstances. Why doesn’t Hamas release the hostages? Because they don’t care about their own citizens dying and suffering. Why did they launch an attack on Israel while knowing the probable consequences? Again because they don’t care about Palestinians. And yet the witless fools in the west line up to support Hamas, Hezbollah and the like - one of the most repressive regimes on Earth. It beggars belief.

I’m sick of the casual antisemitism so many people on Mumsnet trundle out. They seemingly don’t care about what’s happening in countless other global conflicts. It’s the old saw of “no Jews = no news”. I’m not Jewish but I can’t imagine what it’s like to have to read the rubbish spouted about Israel.

I think the fact that so many posters have left this board tells its own story.

Israel is condemned for doing what any other nation would do under the circumstances.
No other nation has responded to a terrorist attack in this way.
Britain did not kill the entire populations equivalent to the combined populations of Armagh, Dungannon and Enniskillen.
The civilian casualty rates in Gaza are unprecedented and even more bombs have been dropped than were dropped on Dresden, London and Hamburg combined, on a tiny enclave, with many sheltering in tents and using bottled gas to cook.
casual antisemitism
You should not weaponise antisemitism to defend this barbarism.
witless fools in the west line up to support Hamas, Hezbollah and the like
Dates , times and threads please. I follow several of these the threads on this board and have yet to see support for Hamas or Hezbollah.
Have you looked at the figures for child amputees? Do you think that this is normal?

“No other nation has responded to a terrorist attack in this way.” Really? Afghanistan after 9/11? Iraq on the flimsiest of evidence? At least try to do research before you reply.

I don’t say people on Mumsnet support Hamas or Hezbollah. Again, at least read the comment properly before you reply.

And no one wants to see anyone hurt in a conflict, let alone children. But no one wants to see barbaric, inhuman attacks on people in kibbutzes and at a festival either.

And it is antisemitism if you judge Israel by different standards than other countries.

What's it called when Israel gets significant western support in carrying out these crimes where other counties don't?

That's the only difference in standards when it comes to Israel. They're getting away with mass murder.

Absolutely they should be taken out of the competition.

Any country that murders 67 children on average every day should not be given a platform.

So responding to an attack is ok as long as you don’t have backing from anyone?

So presumably you disagree with Ukraine defending itself and attacking inside Russia?

“Yet again Israel is condemned for doing what any other nation would do under the circumstances.“

Which country has responded to a terrorist attack with mass bombing of urban areas leading to tens of thousand of civilian casualties?

Thats not what happened in Afghanistan. Not in Iraq. But both of those campaigns were condemned with marches in the streets.

This narrative that Israel is condemned for things other countries do is totally without basis.

So you want to remove Israel from a singing competition because they’re responding to the biggest assault against Jewish people since WWII? What should Israel do in response to the Hamas attacks of 7th October in your opinion?

Civilian deaths caused directly by the US and UK in the aftermath of 9/11 were a fraction of those in Gaza.
It’s not really possible to compare excess mortality Gaza with Afghanistan because Gaza had high immunisation rates and different educational levels of attainment and the pattern of settlement was different.
If Israel was a country populated mostly by Catholics or Buddhists or any religion or ethnicity, it would be judged in the same way.

Why do you bother replying if you can’t even be bothered to do basic research? Close to 180,000 people in Afghanistan died as a result of the post-9/11 war

Again, at least do some research. Also, what has immunisation got to do with anything?