The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

[Scirocco]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

I am not minimising your experience but you don't have to accept how you are being treated in the workplace whether they are your clients or not. Every workplace should have their own respect and dignity policy which outlines their values and how employees should and should not be treated. That is in your power. I don't think equating all Muslim men with your experience appropriate.

If I complained about a client not shaking my hand, could he accuse me of religious discrimination? Or could I accused him of sexual discrimination? We would lose the client due to his bad manners I suppose. Do I make a stand? Women have to I know. Men don't have this problem. As usual...

I would call out someone who did that and ask them to explain the reasons why he won’t shake a woman’s hand (preferably in front of other people)

No reason why we should have to just accept this - at least make him look ridiculous!

And lose the client.

This is the quandary women face. Let's hope that all men behave in future and we don't start going backwards.

This isn't so much about the personal to me, I'm pretty much nice to everyone as interactions go and find the same in return but I do feel strongly that some non western countries are not for women and girls in a way I would want for my dd or any dc here.

It is a difficult topic to approach

I'm also wondering what dystopian means in the context of the article

I'm happy to greet people professionally in a range of ways, but sexist disrespect like intentionally talking to your assistant and excluding you isn't something you or anyone should have to put up with. When I encounter it (almost always from non-Muslim men in my own experience), I confront it. If you don't feel like you'd be supported to challenge it in your workplace, then that's worth raising in itself with work that you don't feel they'd have your back in relation to sexism in the workplace.

Bloody hell you've all dragged every topic you can think of into one post to stick it to the Muslims haven't you. @Scirocco I came on to write something from a muslim perspective but this is one of those threads I can see has now become a muslim bashing one. Speaks for itself really.

I would definitely be raising it with HR if you were being made feel less than because you are female. No you can't force someone to shake your hand obviously, and people have many reasons not to faith is not the only one but if it is only females being refused that is also discrimination which would need to be addressed, no one should be discriminated against based on sex, creed, ethnicity, colour and so on.

We would lose the client due to his bad manners I suppose.
That is where your workplace needs to support you and if the client s breaking your workplace values and respect and dignity policy so be it.

It really has so perfectly illustrated the point of the article. It would be fascinating if it wasn't so tragic.

Oh please. The purpose of this thread was 1) to be divisive and 2) to portray the Muslim community as 100% innocent bystanders under attack from the nasty British public.

Nobody in this thread is condoning violence against Muslims, quite the opposite. People are highlighting that there are contributing underlying issues and that disrespect works both ways. Once again any conversation is seen as an attack.

They can alway go and live in a Muslim country though?

i think this sort of response is inflammatory.

Lots of our public figures are Muslim ( eg Mayor of London) and they seem to find their religion perfectly compatible with life in this country.

Is this thread dystopia?

It's been pointed out on this thread already that Muslims are the British public. You yourself are being 'divisive' by refusing to recognise that.

Absolutely.

Actually, the purpose of this thread was to simply post a link to an article about a report from the Runnymede Trust about how anti-Muslim hatred and prejudice is widespread. Many people on this site care about issues around diversity and inclusion. Many people on this board in particular are very concerned about how global events are factoring in to their own daily lives and the lives of others. If you had concerns about my intentions in sharing the article, you could have simply asked me, rather than making accusations.

I do wonder where some people think I should go... Bit tricky to deport me when I only have one nationality.

I was going to state ‘94% of the British public that are non Muslim ’ but I thought that was self explanatory to anybody with half a brain cell.

Is this thread on the right board?

How lovely.

If a link about the troubles a minority group are going through in this country was posted in MN would you consider it to be divisive ? Would you think 100% of them are innocent?

or is it only links about Muslims which bother you? Did you feel the same way when the protests about black life matters as well ? And about those threads regarding antisemitism ?

Were those threads about antisemitism in the uk in the right board ?

Is the future for muslims in the UK dystopian? It's feels dystopian for many people at the moment, and the article linked would suggest statistically that it's particularly dystopian for jewish people.

Is Utopia even achievable?

Not quite yet, but very 1970s "go back to where you came from" or the best one "No, where were you really born".....

I get asked this all the time, can't imagine why. I just tell people and then ask them about themselves.
You remember the 70's?