The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

As PPs have stated, at the Gaza demos there are people of many faiths and none. I support Palestine, and I'm a Christian (as are many Palestinians by the way) in fact I'd say there are fewer Muslims than non-Muslims.
The world's a village. The genocide in Gaza is a British issue too, as weapons have been manufactured on British soil, and sold and supplied to Israel. Also, Britain had a massive role in the zionist creation of the state of Israel, due to the Balfour Declaration. In addition, the UK government invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, contributed to the crisis in The Yemen. Not to mention its long history of colonialism worldwide. If you don't want the middle east conflict to be protested about (by either side) then maybe ask the government to stop funding the daily slaughter of innocents in the region?
It's everyone's business honestly.
Many of the material freedoms and privileges you and I, and all of us, enjoy here, are due to the long dark history of slavery and colonialism. Britain gained huge wealth during that time, and still benefits. We're not a wealthy western country by accident. To complain about immigration now is very unfair indeed.

The Runnymede report showed that Muslims are disproportionately victims of assault, more than any other religious group (including Jewish people)

There are nearly 4 million Muslims in the UK and under 300,000 Jewish people, many of which including myself you wouldn't know are jewish unless they told you. I wonder what the stats would be if the populations were of a similar size. I sometimes walk down the street and wonder if I would be safe if people knew my heritage. In fact it's amazing how when people don't know, the things they say.

I'm not justifying islamophobia...of course it's wrong. But I think it's far more dangerous to be Jewish... Clearly no one should be at risk obviously.

Is that all you have to say about her/his post? No comments on the points she/he has made? The spelling mistake bothers you more?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

Actually if 38% reported hate crimes are against the 3.9 million Muslims in England & Wales, and 33% reported hate crimes are against the 271 thousand Jewish people in England & Wales, Jewish people are more frequently targeted.

This thread is about the threat to Muslims living in the UK, why do you feel the need to minimise that? yes Jews are also at risk why are you pitting one against the other?

I'm not justifying islamophobia...of course it's wrong. But I think it's far more dangerous to be Jewish
You may not be justifying Islamophobia but you are dismissing Muslims concerns. Anti-Semitism is wrong, islamophobia is wrong no need to compare who may be more under threat both are.

There are two sides to everything.

And are you now suggesting that Muslims living in the UK as UK citizens, is somehow payback for "colonialism" and "zionism". Do you think that attitude is going to help solve the problem that this thread is trying to address? Because to me I don't think that's going to help much.

X-post. Apologies.

Why do you feel the need to deny that some Muslims are genuinely afraid?
Why is antisemitism worth than Islamophobia? Both are equally vile, don't you think?

Sigh. I've already explained why it's in this board. The report cites the Israel-Palestine-Lebanon conflict as a significant contributing factor in the increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes, and threads about antisemitism and increases in it being linked with the conflict are freely discussed in this board without objections. This is part of how this conflict, miles away from our own shores as so many people like to point out, is directly affecting people in the UK. So, it's relevant to the board.

If you aren't interested in a substantial increase in violence against women in a minority group (because that's who are being disproportionately targeted in the attacks), or you think it's ok to physically assault or intimidate people because they look like they might be Muslim (regardless of their degrees of practising or political views), then you don't have to read the thread or the article.

As for your last post, I think people probably would be talking about any report referencing a 335% increase in recorded hate incidents for any minority group, probably with substantially more concern for innocent people within that minority group. At the moment, Muslims and Jewish people are experiencing high levels of discrimination and hate crimes, fuelled in part by global events. What's your objection to talking about that?

@Nordione1 No, I didn't say that at all.
My point is that Britain long ago chose to be a global player. If you choose that global role, you can't then suddenly say that global issues aren't your problem. Immigration to Britain is a natural consequence of UK government actions having displaced so many people due to continued invasion.
Saying it's 'payback' would obviously be very offensive to British Muslims.
Extremism is a problem with extremism, not any particular religion.
Refugees are welcome here 😊

"One issue is that for some Muslims loyalty to a pan global religious following is greater than loyalty to the state..." Are you aware, @mids2019 , that accusing a minority group of having more loyalty to an overarching organisation or another country is actually a form of hate crime in itself? Would you say this about any other minority group?

The oxymorony of this thread…

I think the general discontent in the UK stems from the fact that we are expected to demonstrate empathy and tolerance to other ethnic/religious groups whilst our own beliefs and customs are widely and increasingly disrespected.

We recently had the opportunity to move to a Middle Eastern country for work. I declined because I didn't think that I would integrate into that society very well. I would have to fundamentally change the way I live as a woman to conform and I'm not ok with that.

I think this is the crux of the problem. We are expected to bend and flex and accommodate and never display any concern about cultural/religious integration unless we want to be branded a racist.

Do you have a limit on this? Or is it everyone who wishes to be here can, due to past actions

Are they only disrespected by Muslims ? Are they disrespected by people from other cultures as well? Also , do British people respect other peoples culture when they move / travel abroad ? Sounds like you're trying to justify the attacks

Il a very practising Muslim and involved with so many people via charities and communities etc of all diverse Muslim backgrounds and I have never ever met what you describe which is weird as a lot of non Muslims have?

It would be informative to see who is hating who, that would be a starting point for working towards a solution.

You see, that just isn't my experience here. I lived in Walthamstow for a number of years. Never once did I feel the large Muslim population was in any way imposing their religion or way of life on me, as a non-Muslim at all. Everyone there, as in most multicultural parts of the country, co-existed quite happily. I didn't even think about it. I was living alongside fellow members of the human family. I just don't recognise your description in my lived experience 🤷‍♀️

@Nordione1

economic migrants that they overwhelm public services, are unable to be housed or are at the expense of our own children being unable to find housing and don't raise GDP per capita in the UK. In fact they lower it.

GDP per capita is a funny measure.

An economic migrant can raise their own 'GDP per capita' (compared to what they had before) and raise the 'GDP per capita' of the pre-existing population (compared to what they had before), while still lowering the GDP per capita of the new, enlarged, population. i.e. GDP per capita can go down even though everyone (in this example) is now better off.

Public finances is a different matter, and different groups of migrants have very different net effects on that (from very positive to very negative).

Taking offence at bloody anything is a problem - on both sides.

And yet hate crimes reports are increasing. Obviously not in your neck of the woods.

It really is a scary time to be either Muslim or Jewish in the UK, which is so sad when it's our home. I was speaking with one of my non-visibly Muslim friends recently and she was saying how lonely and frightening it can be for her too - to walk down a busy street, wondering if anyone would help her if people knew she's Muslim, if she'd be safe, if she'd be excluded... She's heard people saying vile things about Muslims to her because they don't realise she's Muslim, and sometimes she feels like it isn't safe even to object to it in person because of what might then happen. I'm sorry you're in a similar situation.

I hope you're OK OP
Sorry there's been so much racism on this thread 😔

I see what you mean although it would be tricky to argue we all feel better off financially due to the large increase in immigration.

Yes, asylum seekers whether real or ‘economic’, shoot straight to the top of the housing lists.

I work with people in this plight, and even I don’t agree with it - most of us don’t.

The City of London’s social housing list is closed - unless you’re a long-standing City worker or an asylum seeker.

It’s the richest place in Europe and there’s nothing, absolutely nothing for poor locals - but arrive illegally on a small boat as a fit young man and you’re housed free for life.

Sigh. We could do better.