How many more will Israel kill?

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Nearly a 100 people reportedly killed in the north of Gaza today from a strike in Beit Lahia. Many of the dead are small children with some of the footage the most shocking I have seen. Dead children still trapped under the rubble and countless more injured. How can they continue to kill like this? How can this still be justified as self defence? How can such callous disregard for human life be condoned?

Well this is a choice denied to Gazans. Don't forget the Lebanese who have been displaced too. They can't go to Syria either because the IDF have bombed the road leading to it.

Propaganda is not on sided. The Israeli government has invested a huge amount of money on their propaganda machine.
It appears to be working very well on some...
Hasbara, a long-running strategy | Jewish Voice for Labour

It's estimated that 1.2 million people are displaced in Lebanon. Also entire villages are being demolished in South Lebanon by Israel. Many of these displaced people don't have homes to return to now.

https://x.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1853395912917209507

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/many-of-these-families-have-almost-nothing-over-a-million-now-displaced-in-lebanon/95ti1uybh

@Sheri99

Did you seriously just compare the bombing, killing and destruction to telling your kid they can't watch telly or something?

The deaths on the Israeli side and the displacement of Israeli people affect much less numbers of people. That's why we are seeing more from Palestine. The israeli administration have better arms and are able to cause maximum destruction upon a population that are largely unarmed and have no defences.

Your deep into the propaganda yourself conflating Hamas with isis and the 9/11 attacks (I think that's what your saying). Acting like Israel is doing some service to the world. They definitely aren't. They are destabilising the whole region. I believe that this will not only go down in history as a genocide against the Palestinian people but the catalyst for further conflict and terrorism.

Absolutely.

@mollyfolk Hamas are like isis. They are radical
islamist terrorists.

it does no favour to the Palestinian people to pretend they are heroic freedom fighters.

go watch the videos from October 7

this is my point - pretending that Hamas aren’t horrific genocidal maniacs helps no one.

Hamas are terrorists but there are a lot of differences between Hamas and ISIS. They are not the same. For a start ISIS seeks a global caliphate whereas Hamas is a nationalist organisation that seeks a Palestinian state that would be recognised like any other. It's objectives are local vs the global ambitions of ISIS.

Hamas are a savage group no doubt but there are big theological and ideological differences between them and ISIS. You can’t just say, ‘ISIS slaughtered people and so did Hamas, so they’re the same.’ That’s very superficial. Recognising the differences isn't 'pretending that they are freedom fighters', they can both be bad and also be different.

What does no favours to the Palestinian people is to disregard the fact that they have been living under occupation and brutalisation for decades.

And I agree with the summation above from @GhostCicada For over a year here some people have been ignoring those facts.

It's rich, isn't it, for Israel supporters to tell us how awful Hamas are for Palestinians. They may be, but Israels are lethal for them.

Live scenes of Kamal Adwan hospital being bombed and shot at

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DB_LxYeI-1L/?igsh=MXhoem85aW41bDYwZQ==

Just listening to news report now on radio and interview with UNICEF, it is still completely under siege and 50 children killed in last couple of days barbaric.

@Sheri99

The other poster explained it better than me. Nobody here has claimed they are freedom fighters.

What are you saying anyway? How is anything about Hamas justification for what the Israeli administration is doing now?

Do you think every man, woman and child in Palestine should suffer because they are all linked to Hamas? Or do you think the death of innocents is "worth it" because it could save Israeli lives?

@mollyfolk Hamas are embedded and hiding in the civilian population - their approach is to sacrifice civilians

they don’t abide by the fundamental rules of
warfare

this is the REASON for some of the actions that Israel has taken. It justifies some actions that would
normally not be acceptable and still remain horrific in terms of outcome. It does not justify all of Israel’s actions at all.

at the end of day Hamas slaughtered 1300 people and stole some and have kept them in tunnels. If it could have it would have raped and murdered all of Israel.

Free Palestine from Hamas and Israel will have far less opportunity to do the things that aren’t justifiable.

it is not this simple - but if it was a choice between my daughters life and the life of another innocent child - I would choose my daughter. This does not mean I would not grieve horribly the life of the other child.

are you not furious that Hamas is not protecting its own people - that no one is being rushed off to shelter in the tunnels? That the leaders and their billions are safely somewhere else?

Get rid of Hamas, get rid of Netanyahu

I haven't seen anyone say Hamas are good though, everyone condemns Hamas and their terrorist activities. You sound like you have a very black and white POV and like you haven't researched what's going on at all.
It also does no favours to Palestinian or Israeli people to pretend that the IDF and the Israeli government are heroic good guys when they're actually also horrific genocidal maniacs and worse are being fully supported in their aims by the US and others and supplied by weapons to carry out their genocide.

@2024onwardsandup* *
They don’t abide by the fundamental rules of
warfare

this is the REASON for some of the actions that Israel has taken. It justifies some actions that would normally not be acceptable and still remain horrific in terms of outcome

You're gonna have to explain this better. How does a group commiting war crimes justify a country commiting war crimes in response? Tell us where that's legally justified. And while you're at it why don't you tell us exactly which actions you feel are justified and why. I think it's easier for you to write such blasé statements when you don't have to spell out what you're talking about so please do tell us what justifies starving people, denying medication to treat dying children, bombing whole villages, sniping children etc

So in a nutshell because Hamas embed themselves in the civilian population and would kill and rape all Israelis if they could justifies the IDF killing over 16,000 innocent Palestinian children? Injuring and maiming countless others, limiting humanitarian and medical aid to those that are still alive? And displacing an entire population?

Get rid of Hamas, get rid of Netanyahu
What a ridiculous simplistic soundbite

That the leaders and their billions are safely somewhere else?
Do you even know what is happening?

@dulra how do you fight an organisation that embeds itself in civilian populations - that doesn’t wear uniforms (so combatants/non combatants can be identified), that embeds itself in hospitals and schools, that steals supplies from its own population, whose hostages are kept in seemingly civilian houses.

so many times people say oh yeah Hamas are awful … but then go onto simply ignore the ramifications of their awfulness. A fundamental part of Israel’s response is determined by Hamas awfulness. And it is ignoring that which I don’t understand.

@2024onwardsandup Get rid of Hamas,

Get rid of the reasons for Hamas existing. Get rid of Hamas.

There's a Japanese problem solving process called 5 whys. Basically you ask "why" 5 times, or as many as times as it takes, to get to the root of a problem.

Hamas are an abhorrent organization, but unless the conditions that lead to their rise they will only be replaced by an equivalent or worse.

Nobody is forcing people to commit atrocities and war crimes. People are choosing to do so. The rest of the world should choose to stand up for what is right - which is not committing atrocities and war crimes.

People who commit terrorist acts, war crimes and other atrocities should face appropriate consequences within the framework of international law. Mass murder, torture, occupation, starvation, war crimes and a (viable) campaign to destroy a people aren't within that framework. They're examples of things against which the framework is intended to protect people. But too many people in the world continue to choose complicity.

Well the leader of Hamas was killed through a direct hit not through indiscriminately bombing hospitals, schools, refugee camps. No one said it's easy but if you continually commit war crimes and are being accused of genocide to get rid of Hamas (an ideology) you need to find a better way. It's so easy to suggest this the only option when it's not your children being killed, injured, starved and traumatised.
I am also unclear how limiting access to humanitarian aid and medical supplies to the civilian population of is part of getting rid of Hamas. 50 children have been killed in the past 2 days in Northern Gaza I do not believe this was their only option.

@2024onwardsandup and Israel will have far less opportunity to do the things that aren’t justifiable.

Interesting take. What would you suggest to do to rid Israel of the desire to do things that aren't justifiable?

@2024onwardsandup

It justifies some actions that would
normally not be acceptable and still remain horrific in terms of outcome. It does not justify all of Israel’s actions at all.

No it really doesn't. Nothing justifies the indiscriminate killing, maiming and starvation of a population. You are deep into the propaganda there.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/nov/08/gaza-unparalleled-suffering-jan-egeland-norwegian-refugee-council-aid-ceasefire-hostages-peace-process

Unsurprising but confirmation from UN that mostly women and children killed in Gaza

I suppose it's not surprising really. So devastating though. And still very little action from the international community.

Literally nobody else would get away with it,