The testimony of the Yazidi woman rescued from Gaza

[HermioneWeasley]

I thought the atrocities of 7/10 were the worst thing I’d ever read about but her account of her treatment, particularly by ISIS, is beyond comprehension.

I only saw the headlines (I’m not usually one for content warnings but they were awful).

why is nobody talking about this? Why isn’t a board made up primarily of mothers talking about what she has described? Where is the condemnation?

Fair enough.

And if the hostages are not released, hopefully the IDF will stop the murder when it reaches maybe 100,000 or 200,000.
Whatever that arbitrary number is.

@Martymcfly24 , it’s a dreadful situation and has been for such a long time. There is fault on both sides. Hamas are terrorists who don’t play by the rules and sacrifice the people of Gaza for political gains. I hate what is happening but I would really like to see Hamas wiped out. I believe Isreal have in the past offered solutions which were declined but the willingness to compromise has been shown. I don’t feel very optimistic.

@Icanthinkformyselfthanks I completely agree with a number of your points. It is a dreadful situation with fault on both sides. I stand by Israels right to exist (even though I feel the way the country came into existence and past behaviors are not good)and I think Hamas needs to be wiped out .
However I am slightly more cynical about Israels motives. I do believe for a number of reasons they would be quite happy if all Palestinians were gone and they could expand their borders. And what is happening at the moment there is achieving those aims in a bloody violent way.

@Martymcfly24 , there are probably some who want that but I do not think it’s the majority. There are a significant number of Arabs who live in Israel with equal rights and peacefully. Isreal is geographically literally stuck in the middle of potential enemies, that can’t be very pleasant I’ve long hoped to visit but that’s not happening any time soon. It’s one hell of a mess we can only hope that someone will come along who can bring peace.

That person is most definitely not Netanyahu.

Duh.

Reread your comments which I was replying to! You mentioned scale and I said what about the Yemani slaughter or Darfur, which were BOTH MUCH BIGGER SCALE. You were attempting to say with Gaza the publicity generated was about SCALE/due to the scale of deaths.. So I told you about a slaughter of a much bigger scale (many more deaths) which didn't get anywhere near the coverage...disproving the scale theory you propositioned. Simples.

Its not whataboutery to answer your points with points showing its not about scale... both the slaughters I mentioned were on a massively bigger scale.

It does help if you remember what your point was, and why someone might reply to your point.

Netanyahu has made it clear, on numerous occasions, that the release of the hostages will not stop the war. He couldn't care less about them. Their families have been, rightly, vocal about it.

@Auvergne63 , I’m not a supporter of Netanyahu.

Firstly, I want to make it clear than anyone feeling unsafe simply because they are Jewish is not acceptable - I just want to make that clear first. It is unacceptable that synagogues feel they need security just to have a regular service. This has been happened for years and years. It is unacceptable that people feel they need to avoid places or hide the fact they are Jewish.

However, you are confusing different things here. People have slogans against Zionism because of various actions Israel has taken since the Balfour Agreement, and the fact that they are perceived and often do say they want a 1 state solution. This is the perception of Zionism.

You said "variations probably come doen to how the question is framed and how zionist is defined" and this is exactly right. But more than this - the article referred to 3744 respondents, and that they were "self selecting samples who confirmed their status as residents of the UK. Samples were primarily contacted through seed organisations, including religious bodies, online networks, and community welfare organisations". This is what I meant when I said many Jewish people are unlikely to be polled about this question - because they are not on online groups, or part of seed organisations or religious bodies or community welfare organisations - does that make sense now?

The poll you referred to refers to 3744 people providing their opinions. Yet in the 2021 census, 287,360 people identified as Jewish. You can see the difference. The result of the poll you referred to is therefore misleading. I don't know how many people identify as Zionist or what kind of Zionism they identify with, and I believe that the rest of the article raised important points and I am not suggesting that the survey was without merit, but you really cannot conclude that 8 out of 10 Jewish people are Zionists based on 3744 respondents out of a potential 287,360 respondents.

What you say about Israelis calling for peace and a 2 state solution, I agree with you that this sort of thing is happening as I have seen videos indicating the same, and it is fantastic. But there are other commentators saying that "most" Israelis agree with what Netanyahu is doing and the intention to "wipe out" Iran, Hezbollah and so many Palestinians - I can link the video if you haven't seen it, it is a well known Israeli journalist. This is why there is a problem with perception.

But as I say, fear in the UK just because you are Jewish isn't acceptable.

"The poll you referred to refers to 3744 people providing their opinions. Yet in the 2021 census, 287,360 people identified as Jewish. You can see the difference. The result of the poll you referred to is therefore misleading. I don't know how many people identify as Zionist or what kind of Zionism they identify with, and I believe that the rest of the article raised important points and I am not suggesting that the survey was without merit, but you really cannot conclude that 8 out of 10 Jewish people are Zionists based on 3744 respondents out of a potential 287,360 respondents."

That is actually quite a large sample for a poll particularly in such a small pooulation Polling is always done by sampling so there is never a 'potential 287k respondents'. You can't say the poll is misleading unless you have concrete evidence backed up by an understanding of the methodology of polling.

However, you are confusing different things here. People have slogans against Zionism because of various actions Israel has taken since the Balfour Agreement, and the fact that they are perceived and often do say they want a 1 state solution. This is the perception of Zionism.

Its not me that is confused here. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland linked to the ancestral/historical connection based on this region.

You cannot say logically, rationally or accurately that 8 out of 10 Jewish people think one thing or the other if only 3744 Jewish people out of 280000 Jewish people responded.

You then give a definition of Zionism - I am not sure why as you yourself have said there is more than one way to interpret what this actually means ie how it would be translated into policy - we have been over this.

The point of debating this sort of thing is to aid understanding of why people are doing what they are doing, as only with understanding can you work to reduce hatred and try to work out solutions.

Not to just argue for the sake of it.

And just a PS there about the polling - it was self selected from a very narrow group.

I watched a documentary on it and it was the stuff of nightmares. What IS did to those women AND their kids whilst their mothers watched was demonic. Honest to god it was pure wretched evilness.

IS, Taliban - who have just made it illigal for women to speak to other women, Iran for their daily hangings and beating women to death for not covering their hair or faces, and Hamas - and we all know what they did - show us whats around the corner.

All those terrorist groups are disgusting vile creatures. Anyone offering support or excusing them are also vile.

Especially those that incite them and recruit for them, who will rarely have to live with the consequences.

@FfsBrian Can you link the documentary? If so, thanks in advance!