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Conflict in the Middle East

The testimony of the Yazidi woman rescued from Gaza

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HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 08:42

I thought the atrocities of 7/10 were the worst thing I’d ever read about but her account of her treatment, particularly by ISIS, is beyond comprehension.

I only saw the headlines (I’m not usually one for content warnings but they were awful).

why is nobody talking about this? Why isn’t a board made up primarily of mothers talking about what she has described? Where is the condemnation?

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MaitreKarlsson · 19/10/2024 09:06

Hi, I haven't read that yet but recently read a book by a Yazidi survivor about Isis. It's unbearable.
Also although different, its similarly traumatic what's going on in Afghanistan. Women being returned to abusive husbands they have previously divorced. Not allowed to speak in public.
It's horrific and I agree just a deafening silence from the world.
There's a book by Christina Lamb I've been meaning (but also reluctant) to read; our bodies, their battlefield.
Been looking for some way I can get involved/help.

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 09:12

Agree @MaitreKarlsson , the situation for women and girls in Afghanistan is horrendous. If you haven’t seen the specific incident that is mentioned in her testimony though I’m glad. It is the worst, most depraved, most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard and I can’t believe it was used in headlines as it’s so distressing. I can’t stop thinking about it.

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SharonEllis · 19/10/2024 09:53

I hadn't seen the more detailed testimony which seems to have been released in the last few days. I havent seen it referred to on British news though apparently it was published in the Sun.Thank you for drawing our attention to it. Absolutely unspeakable treatment first by ISIS and then Hamas (which I wont put here). Her Hamas husband whose rapes resulted in 2 children when she was still a teenager was killed but she was held captive by his family and forced into slave labour in a Palestinian hospital used by Hamas as a base.
Here are some of the more recent links. I hope she is being given some space to come to terms with it all - she's still only early 20s.
https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-825066

https://www.voanews.com/a/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-says-she-attempted-suicide-21-times-under-hamas/7825872.html

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 09:55

And yet people march in support of Hamas every week in British cities. It’s incomprehensible

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MaitreKarlsson · 19/10/2024 13:02

I just don't get how Hamas seem to somehow escape any kind of public censure. Can only presume many people are very ignorant/ill-informed.

MaitreKarlsson · 19/10/2024 13:03

I'm still thinking about the stories told post October 7th and what was found in the kibbutzim - incomprehensible cruelty, barbaric.

SharonEllis · 19/10/2024 13:24

MaitreKarlsson · 19/10/2024 13:02

I just don't get how Hamas seem to somehow escape any kind of public censure. Can only presume many people are very ignorant/ill-informed.

You can only be ignorant of this if you chosen not to look & read can't you? Hamas escapes censure because many people's hatred of Israel is so strong, they think Hamas are resistance heroes and they read tbe stuff put out by their apologists and supporters. Being that ill-informed in a country with a free press like the UK is a choice.

MotiRoller · 19/10/2024 13:30

Because the mouth frothers are only obsessed where Jews are involved.

Toomanywars · 19/10/2024 16:27

Perhaps that's why the US supports Israel. It sees it as the other country that hights back against ghe axix of evil, the extreme islamist terrorist groups funded by Iran.

I don't know why it doesn't get talked about. The islamist terrorists really tried to completely wipe out Yizadi people. Rape their women. Destroy them. Their number is much smaller and when the term genocide is used, they were really targeted.

Maybe it's because it wasn't Israel. I don't know. It certainly doesn't get any outrage. It should do but doesn't. Similar when it's Muslim on Muslim killing as in Yemen. It doesn't seem to register the same outraged response. There is perhaps just one reason.

Dulra · 19/10/2024 18:01

The Yazidi genocide of 2014 was horrific and there was a lot of coverage of it at the time or are people referring to something else? I'm unclear why some here don't seem to have heard about it before? It has been 10 years and the victims are still displaced and redress not anywhere near sufficient which is a disgrace. Definitely one to question with your elected representatives. The west abandoned those people to ISIS after the war on terror.

www.icct.nl/publication/ten-years-yazidi-genocide-searching-redress-war-against-isis

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 18:18

Dulra · 19/10/2024 18:01

The Yazidi genocide of 2014 was horrific and there was a lot of coverage of it at the time or are people referring to something else? I'm unclear why some here don't seem to have heard about it before? It has been 10 years and the victims are still displaced and redress not anywhere near sufficient which is a disgrace. Definitely one to question with your elected representatives. The west abandoned those people to ISIS after the war on terror.

www.icct.nl/publication/ten-years-yazidi-genocide-searching-redress-war-against-isis

I’m Sure we have heard of it. It’s the contrast with the energy and outrage about Gaza vs the attempted genocide of the Yazidi people. There were no marches, no debates in parliament (that I can recall). As another poster has said, it seems that when Muslims are attacking others in the region it provokes little outrage.

and it’s in the news now because of the recently freed woman and her testimony which is the most depraved thing I’ve ever read.

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Dulra · 19/10/2024 18:22

I’m Sure we have heard of it.
I'm not sure what you mean here? You either did or didn't hear of it

Dulra · 19/10/2024 18:33

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 18:18

I’m Sure we have heard of it. It’s the contrast with the energy and outrage about Gaza vs the attempted genocide of the Yazidi people. There were no marches, no debates in parliament (that I can recall). As another poster has said, it seems that when Muslims are attacking others in the region it provokes little outrage.

and it’s in the news now because of the recently freed woman and her testimony which is the most depraved thing I’ve ever read.

It’s the contrast with the energy and outrage about Gaza vs the attempted genocide of the Yazidi people

Yes I agree and thankfully the UN observers were able to report on what happened and record witness statements and it has now been ruled as a genocide, but a lot of work still needs to be done to ensure redress to support organisations working with the Yazidi refugees and support them in finding those that are still missing. We all have a personal responsibility to be aware of what is happening around the world.

SharonEllis · 19/10/2024 18:37

Dulra · 19/10/2024 18:22

I’m Sure we have heard of it.
I'm not sure what you mean here? You either did or didn't hear of it

I'm not sure why you're finding this hard to understand. Noone is saying we had never heard of the Yazidi genocide. Some of us were pretty vocal about it at the time (I certainly was) but there is no doubt that it was a brief media obsession which fell from public consciousness pretty quickly and didnt result in weekly/monthly protest, occupation of buildings, protests in the National Gallery etc. The detail of the testimony of Fawzia Sido hasnt had the widespread detailed media coverage that you might expect especially when it gives such insight into Hamas before and after 7 October.

username3678 · 19/10/2024 18:44

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 09:55

And yet people march in support of Hamas every week in British cities. It’s incomprehensible

It is isn't it. The UK are meant to be allies of Israel why do you think they allow weekly marches in support of a terrorist group?

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 19:12

Dulra · 19/10/2024 18:22

I’m Sure we have heard of it.
I'm not sure what you mean here? You either did or didn't hear of it

Yes I heard of it and I have a monthly direct debit to a charity that supports Yazidi survivors.

I can’t speak for anyone else on this thread

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womananddog · 19/10/2024 19:19

There's a book by Christina Lamb I've been meaning (but also reluctant) to read; our bodies, their battlefield.
@MaitreKarlsson my DD said it is the most disturbing and traumatic book she has ever read. I haven't been able to face reading it.

Dulra · 19/10/2024 19:20

SharonEllis · 19/10/2024 18:37

I'm not sure why you're finding this hard to understand. Noone is saying we had never heard of the Yazidi genocide. Some of us were pretty vocal about it at the time (I certainly was) but there is no doubt that it was a brief media obsession which fell from public consciousness pretty quickly and didnt result in weekly/monthly protest, occupation of buildings, protests in the National Gallery etc. The detail of the testimony of Fawzia Sido hasnt had the widespread detailed media coverage that you might expect especially when it gives such insight into Hamas before and after 7 October.

I'm not sure why you're finding this hard to understand.
Because the post was unclear I asked for clarification. The poster has clarified

Dulra · 19/10/2024 19:25

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 19:12

Yes I heard of it and I have a monthly direct debit to a charity that supports Yazidi survivors.

I can’t speak for anyone else on this thread

Yes I think many have but not enough. I know through my work with refugees I have worked with a small number and it never ceases to amaze me how little people know about the atrocities being committed. Maybe people would be more accommodating of refugees if they did.

MaitreKarlsson · 19/10/2024 19:30

Agree. OP please share the name of the charity you support.

HermioneWeasley · 19/10/2024 19:36

@MaitreKarlsson its AMFAR

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Martymcfly24 · 19/10/2024 19:58

username3678 · 19/10/2024 18:44

It is isn't it. The UK are meant to be allies of Israel why do you think they allow weekly marches in support of a terrorist group?

It is legal to protest peacefully in the UK.

username3678 · 19/10/2024 20:01

Martymcfly24 · 19/10/2024 19:58

It is legal to protest peacefully in the UK.

That must be it. I'm sure pro Taliban marches will be next. The world's gone mad!

Martymcfly24 · 19/10/2024 20:05

The world has gone mad indeed.

Imagine being offended by people protesting against the daily slaughter of innocent civilians by a democratic state.

Mad.

SharonEllis · 19/10/2024 20:08

But not to support a proscribed terrorist organisation or to commit hate crimes which some protestors have undoubtedly done.

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