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Lettherebejustice · 12/10/2024 18:26

ThisPearlPeer13 · 12/10/2024 18:25

100 synagogues in Arab countries. Thats c1.5 billion Arab people btw. There actually used to be Jews all over Arab lands, but they were all expelled. Something that's conveniently ignored.

It's not ignored, rather mentioned on almost every thread that discusses the war in Gaza. It doesn't justify what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in any way.

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 18:37

@ThisPearlPeer13 it's not ignored. But that does not and will not ever excuse what is happening now

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 19:43

It just gets worse and worse. I don’t know how this is allowed, how are we (UK) supporting this?

puttyinboots · 12/10/2024 21:25

Remember Hind, the scale of Israel's genocidal war crimes is staggering and the lack of respect for human life is beyond comprehension

EasterIssland · 12/10/2024 21:29

puttyinboots · 12/10/2024 21:25

Remember Hind, the scale of Israel's genocidal war crimes is staggering and the lack of respect for human life is beyond comprehension

There is a foundation now In her name. They’ve submitted a document to ICC with names of 1000 IDF members that have committed war crimes with 8000 images as proof of this. There are many with dual nationality which I hope they’re prosecuted for if they’re not staying in Israel

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 21:42

puttyinboots · 12/10/2024 21:25

Remember Hind, the scale of Israel's genocidal war crimes is staggering and the lack of respect for human life is beyond comprehension

I've been thinking about this all day, it just weighs so heavy on my mind.

I am convinced the blasé attitude and even rabid support for what is happening is rooted in Islamophobia. We've been taught to see Muslims as the enemy for so long.

I've spoken to my mum about it and while she thinks the Israeli children are innocent (of course, I agree they are) she thinks the Palestinian children are just collateral damage who deserve to pay for Hamas' crimes. It's sickening.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 12/10/2024 23:24

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 14:24

I wish I could remember a post, a long time ago now, with links to a Palestinian education expert who was writing about what happens, though it may have been what happens in Palestinian text books (?) due Israeli control too.

There was also a video clip from a religious school showing children saying Arabs would be their slaves. (This must not be typical of every school though).

Are you talking about Robert Martin's interview with Nurit Peled Elhanan? I can repost the links here if you like. 😀

Daftasabroom · 12/10/2024 23:42

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 19:43

It just gets worse and worse. I don’t know how this is allowed, how are we (UK) supporting this?

We're supporting it, not, by selling weapons to Israel.

anotherlevel · 13/10/2024 08:22

@itwasnevermine I agree. The world has been conditioned to see all Muslims as the enemy and sadly there are those who have bought into this. But equally there are those who haven't fortunately.

The mass murders of the Palestinians is Islamophobia.

Auvergne63 · 13/10/2024 08:30

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 09:39

@Dulra I think it's straight Islamophobia. If it was white peoples being killed there would be a lot more being done and said.

I think it is too as well as land grabbing. I have no words.

Auvergne63 · 13/10/2024 08:45

ThisPearlPeer13 · 12/10/2024 17:38

Ridiculous thing to say. 20% of the Israeli population are Arab / Muslim with exactly the same rights as everyone else there. There are around 400 Mosques in Israel compared to around 100 in all the Arab countries combined!!!
You know nothing about Israel and its people. Educate yourself, it's you who is brainwashed.

I think you are gravely mistaken here. Have a read of these articles:
'Systematic Witch Hunt:' What Persecution of Arab-Israelis Looks Like Amid Gaza War - Israel News - Haaretz.com
“The illusion of citizenship has gone”: Israel’s Arabs look to the future (economist.com)

'Systematic witch hunt:' What persecution of Arab-Israelis looks like amid Gaza war

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-02/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/systematic-witch-hunt-what-persecution-of-israeli-arabs-looks-like-amid-gaza-war/0000018b-90db-db7e-af9b-fbdb254e0000

PeasfullPerson · 13/10/2024 11:07

The idea that Arab-Israeli’s ‘actually’ have the same rights is ridiculous. What is written in law doesn’t necessarily translate into equal action does it.

Even before the latest conflict there were disparities in mortality and life expectancy, which are most likely due to many factors, but as with all societies, it indicates that the way in which they are perceived, understood and treated is not equal to Jewish Israeli’s.

I also wouldn’t write off statistics like this about our country and minority groups. It doesn’t help to pretend differences don’t exist.

Between 2020 and 2022, the average rate of infant mortality among Arabs (5.1 per 1,000 live births) was more than twice as high as the equivalent rate among Jews (1.9). Within Arab society, the infant mortality rate among Muslims (5.3) was considerably higher than the rate among Druze (3.1) and much higher than the rate among Christians (1.9).
Life expectancy in Arab society has continued to rise, thanks to improvements in various health indicators, but there remains a significant gap between Arabs and Jews: Life expectancy for men and women in Arab society are now identical to life expectancy for men and women in Jewish society two decades ago.

https://en.idi.org.il/arab-society/2023/?chapter=55095

Arab Society Statistical Report 2023

The Arab Society Statistical Report provides a contemporary view of Arab society in Israel.

https://en.idi.org.il/arab-society/2023?chapter=55095

Scirocco · 13/10/2024 11:38

itwasnevermine · 12/10/2024 21:42

I've been thinking about this all day, it just weighs so heavy on my mind.

I am convinced the blasé attitude and even rabid support for what is happening is rooted in Islamophobia. We've been taught to see Muslims as the enemy for so long.

I've spoken to my mum about it and while she thinks the Israeli children are innocent (of course, I agree they are) she thinks the Palestinian children are just collateral damage who deserve to pay for Hamas' crimes. It's sickening.

Sadly, I've encountered that perspective a lot. Some people think "well, of course any death of a child is sad, but..." Palestinian and Muslim children don't warrant the same level of sadness. I've had people compare the killing of children (who are so like my own) to roadkill - that it's always a shame when a car has to hit and kill an animal but that's better than risking causing an accident in which actual people could be hurt. I've also encountered people who would actively prefer for me and my own DC to go to Gaza so we can be killed along with the rest of 'our lot'. And yet these same people will claim to be 'on the side of peace'. No, they're on the side of religious and racial hatred and oppression.

itwasnevermine · 13/10/2024 12:32

@Scirocco it's always the "but", "but someone had done that to us I'd hope the government would do the same". It's such a shameful and disgusting attitude to hold

Auvergne63 · 13/10/2024 12:34

Scirocco · 13/10/2024 11:38

Sadly, I've encountered that perspective a lot. Some people think "well, of course any death of a child is sad, but..." Palestinian and Muslim children don't warrant the same level of sadness. I've had people compare the killing of children (who are so like my own) to roadkill - that it's always a shame when a car has to hit and kill an animal but that's better than risking causing an accident in which actual people could be hurt. I've also encountered people who would actively prefer for me and my own DC to go to Gaza so we can be killed along with the rest of 'our lot'. And yet these same people will claim to be 'on the side of peace'. No, they're on the side of religious and racial hatred and oppression.

This beggars belief! People are actually saying these vile things? No words.

Scirocco · 13/10/2024 13:34

Auvergne63 · 13/10/2024 12:34

This beggars belief! People are actually saying these vile things? No words.

Certain groups feel very empowered at the moment to say the quiet bits of their Islamophobia and racism out loud at the moment.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/10/2024 14:45

The idea is that they get out, starve to death, or be shot on the street, or bombed isn’t it?
That was Gior Eiland’s suggested plan.

Northern Gaza will be wiped off the face of the earth and no Palestinians will be allowed back.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/10/2024 15:00

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 12/10/2024 23:24

Are you talking about Robert Martin's interview with Nurit Peled Elhanan? I can repost the links here if you like. 😀

Yes! Thank you very much.

I am sure I can find that.

For posters stating that it is Palestinians being educated to hate Jews ( in fact their text books are censored), perhaps you would like to see how it works very much the other way: look up discussions/writing by Nurit Peled Elhanan. The discussions are on You Tube.

She is Israeli.
This about her is an excerpt from Wikipedia.

Nurit Peled-Elhanan (Hebrew: נורית פלד-אלחנן; born 17 May 1949) is an Israeli philologist, professor of language and education at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, translator, and activist. She is a 2001 co-laureate of the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought awarded by the European Parliament.[1][2][3] She is known for her research on the portrayal of Palestinians in Israeli textbooks, which she has criticized as being anti-Palestinian.[4] Elhanan supports the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.

Israelis - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis

PeasfullPerson · 13/10/2024 20:32

Not forgotten by me, or perceived as being less worthy of a decent life than anyone else.

Silence1 · 13/10/2024 20:38

Definitely not forgotten by me either. I am really concerned for them.