Pagers and walkie talkies .....audacious and successful strike against terrorists

[mids2019]

If a large number of members of Al Quaeda or ISIS were killed with a precise attack I think in the West there would be admiration and indeed satisfaction that such a military success had occurred.

However I am disturbed by the reporting of the targeted neutralization of terrorists within Lebanon with even the main stream press virtually describing those struck as civilians and questioning the legality and morality of this! Have we lost our moral compassess?

There were some unfortunate civil an deaths but given the scale of the strike this was a terrible inevitability. However the civil an to combatant rratio was very small in reality as the explosions were kinky d to a personal zone. Yet when we read the press we allow terrorist propaganda calling the events a massacre of even that trumped up word 'genocide' that people seem to love.

If Osama bin Laden had been brought to a local hospital would we have allowed weeping doctors to lament his injuries? Thought not.

Ahem… you do know that it is Israel who are not respecting other countries borders 😏

Palestinians are living under occupation. The West Bank is occupied. Gaza is occupied.

Thank you for stopping the pretence of 'neutrality' in your posts though.

Hamas and Hezbollah have never respected Israel's borders.

Both Gaza and the West Bank have their own governments. Hamas (lovely guys) govern in Gaza and the PLO govern in the West Bank. Anthony Blinken met with Mahmoud Abbas as the legitimate leader of the Palestinian people in that region.

Even if you set up a state of Palestine with Gaza's current borders there would still be claims of occupation because Palestinians believe they are 'due' portions of Israel. There would be dissatisfaction in Gaza even if unoccupied as economically it isn't doing very well and to turn around its institutions to create a thriving free democratic state would take a lot of effort and certainly Hamas couldn't be leaders of this free Palestine.

I do think some of the actions of the West bank settlers aren't helpful but realistically I don't think Israel is going to forcefully eject its own people so to have a non occupation you have to start with the current ground realities.

Of course for a lack of occupation then both Palestine and Israel would have to be at peace and certainly there aren't peacemakers at the moment in their respective governements.

I sort of suspect this is going to be a perma war that will go on for years unless there is give on both sides.

@mids2019 I don't think you understand what is happening in the West Bank, or in Gaza. And frankly, phrases like "economically [Gaza] isn't doing very well" are so tone-deaf they're offensive. If you actually want to understand what it is like to live in Occupied Palestine, rather than just repeat offensive things and seek to further upset people whose friends, colleagues and in some cases families are being oppressed and murdered there, I suggest you ask those of us with lived experience of Palestine what it is like to live and work there. And then try to have some respect for our losses and cut down on the goady language. Because Palestine is occupied and Palestine is being destroyed, and people need to recognise that. Denying and supporting horrendous acts is as reprehensible when those acts are carried out by the IDF and Israeli government as it would be if they were carried out by any other government or military force.

The current ground reality is that Israel is occupying Palestinian territory and should stop doing so. The current ground reality is that people who call Palestinian land home are being killed and ethnically cleansed from that land. I don't think you'd like it if that were happening to your people, your country, so why is it to be celebrated and facilitated when it happens to someone else's people and country?

There are displaced people in northern Israel who are also suffering displace for their home s. What should should the IDF do to defend its people and allow the home?

the misery in Gaza would cease if Hamas stopped their fight and surely that's a good thing. I mention the economy because as a people become in general they are less likely to be drawn into extremist positions.

no one denies that Palestinian people are suffering but can you describe what non occupation would look like physically. Would a lack of occupation lead to leave and prosperous future for Palestine. If so this is a good thing but where is the road map and how do you ensure good relations with Israel?

I don't particularly want to go to Palestine as I think there aren't many moving there. I do hope Hamas are removed from lower though.

Oh my god.

@Flibflobflibflob

collateral damage how very dehumanising of you.

Yeah it’s super strange that Gaza isn’t economically prosperous. Nothing at all to do with Israel stealing their land and natural resources….

@mids2019 I don't particularly want to go to Palestine as I think there aren't many moving there

What is this supposed to mean??

Or maybe get into some serious dialogue about peace for a change?
Like what has Israel in mind ?Annexe the West Bank and Golan Heights, ethnically cleanse Gaza and make it uninhabitable, take over the entirety of the biblical Holy Land on the pretext of needing a security buffer and then what?

I'd be interested to know this too...

How do you find peace with terorists? Not like a snake not to bite you......futile

Israel left Gaza in 2006.
Gaza is not 'economically prosperous' because Hamas, who have ruled since then, has used millions of dollars from Iran etc to build a city underneath Gaza from where they imported arms and rockets to fire on Israel.

As you are well acquainted with Gaza you know Israel moved out in 2006. The West Bank is a different scenario.

@blackcherryconserve

"Israel left Gaza in 2006"

This again.

Israel controls Gazas borders, airspace and access to the sea. Fishermen are restricted to a 6km zone. Israel controls what goes in and out of Gaza be it people, medicine or supplies, right down to basic things to fix their boats, or feed their children.

And yet Hamas gets their supplies in and builds a miles of underground networks. They control what ordinary citizens get and care less about Palestinians than anyone else.

This. The UN considers Gaza to still be under occupation.

“The americans are now saying they suspect hamas doesn’t actually want a deal”
This may or may not be true but the source quoted is a right wing think tank founded by an American historian with Israeli ties and funded by US arms manufacturers. Its position is generally considered hawkish. It is unlikely that this organisation has insider knowledge.

Haaretz 2 days ago

An exclusive report from Israel's Channel 12 News features new documents and previously unheard conversations showing Netanyahu's efforts to sabotage any hostage deal

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-19/ty-article/.premium/new-evidence-reveals-netanyahus-relentless-efforts-to-block-hostage-deal-report-shows/00000192-0a79-d1bc-a1ff-2e7fe0420000

Gershon Baskin, Israeli columnist and negotiator

"I tell you again: Hamas agrees to the three-week deal: the end of the war, an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, an agreed release of the number and names of Palestinian prisoners, and the return of all the hostages - all in a three-week timeframe. I even have it in writing from Hamas. The paper is with Netanyahu and with the entire negotiating team. The paper is with Biden, with the Emir of Qatar and with the head of Egyptian intelligence. All of the hostages can be returned within three weeks. (Gershon Baskin September 21, 2024)"

x.com/gershonbaskin/status/1837618672468402536?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

France controls what can enter turn UK via customs; it's not unusual. If Gaza is its own state as part of a free Palestine then Israel is within its rights to not allow certain foods over the border (especially if it's security is compromised).

After October 7th may be Israel aren't going to be the most willing trade partners ever?

There hasn’t been any evidence of this. If there were any explosives inside these buildings, then the footage we have of dozens of strikes on them would look very very different. The only explosions we see are from the bombs being dropped- there are no secondary explosions from alleged bombs/rockets hidden inside.

Now I think you are just trolling us!

This thread is a joke now.

at last we can agree!