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DownNative · 02/08/2024 12:58

Quick post for now in the aftermath of Haniyeh's demise, this is part of the US Navy fleet off the coast of Eilat in the Red Sea. 👇

Looks like a combined US, UK, Jordanian military effort along with Israel's Iron Dome, Sea Dome & David's Sling will operate to defend Israel's people & territory.

Sounding like it wasn't a missile strike sent from Israel that took out Haniyeh, but one from within Iran itself which would be significant plus more humiliating for Iran. Either way, its suggestive of Iranian security weaknesses.

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anotherlevel · 02/08/2024 14:01

I can't access the rest of the article as it's behind a paywall but it suggests that an explosive device was smuggled into the area where Haniyeh was known to be staying and once confirmed he was there, it was detonated remotely. I can't see who was responsible for smuggling it in.

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html

EasterIssland · 02/08/2024 14:24

anotherlevel · 02/08/2024 14:01

I can't access the rest of the article as it's behind a paywall but it suggests that an explosive device was smuggled into the area where Haniyeh was known to be staying and once confirmed he was there, it was detonated remotely. I can't see who was responsible for smuggling it in.

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html

times of Israel talks about the nytimes article
https://www.timesofisrael.com/nyt-haniyeh-was-killed-by-explosive-smuggled-into-tehran-guesthouse-two-months-ago/amp/

ForMellowHam · 02/08/2024 14:49

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DownNative · 02/08/2024 14:56

anotherlevel · 02/08/2024 14:01

I can't access the rest of the article as it's behind a paywall but it suggests that an explosive device was smuggled into the area where Haniyeh was known to be staying and once confirmed he was there, it was detonated remotely. I can't see who was responsible for smuggling it in.

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html

It was either a missile strike from nearby or this. Either way, a humiliation for Iran & terrorist leaders will be increasingly paranoid.

Sinwar will have heard about each elimination. Its hard to be underground a lot, so to heard these will be psychologically difficult for him. He knows he won't survive unless he makes a deal with Israel using hostages. If they're dead, Sinwar will have no leverage left.

Leader of PIJ was in room next to Haniyeh was barely touched. Make of that what you will.

Auvergne63 · 02/08/2024 15:27

samG76 · 01/08/2024 16:40

Auvergne - no-one suggests that every German was a Nazi, but if the British hadn't bombed Germany because of the danger of injuring civilians, then the whole of Europe would have ended up under Nazi rules. The non-Nazis ended up suffering for the manaical extremism and pathological violence of their leaders

The bombing of Dresden is considered to be a war crime according to many experts. You also have to take into account the fact that precision weapons didn't exist at the time. They do now.
By the way, we wouldn't have been under Nazi rules but Russian ones. Hitler lost the war when he invaded Russia. This is widely known. In addition, the Brits were not the only ones bombing Germany. The Americans did too.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 02/08/2024 15:37

“Leader of PIJ was in room next to Haniyeh was barely touched. Make of that what you will.”

Kinetic missile.

Extremely precise, minimal damage, almost silent so there’s no sound-delivered warning. It’s a laser-guided precision weapon that hits the target, reducing the possibility of wiping out entire blocks/buildings and civilians. The point of impact is pretty much exact.

DownNative · 02/08/2024 15:46

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 02/08/2024 15:37

“Leader of PIJ was in room next to Haniyeh was barely touched. Make of that what you will.”

Kinetic missile.

Extremely precise, minimal damage, almost silent so there’s no sound-delivered warning. It’s a laser-guided precision weapon that hits the target, reducing the possibility of wiping out entire blocks/buildings and civilians. The point of impact is pretty much exact.

That's not what I mean at all. 🙈 Don't worry about it. 👍

Besides, it's not clear yet if it was a missile or a bomb in the room. Either is possible.

DownNative · 02/08/2024 15:55

BTW, IDF's Hagari has said they didn't carry out an aerial strike but didn't clarify what type of military action they took.

However it was done and whoever did it...Great job!

Damaged section here. 👇

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BelleHathor · 02/08/2024 16:14

Keep in mind that there is a lot of propaganda right now about how the assassination was carried out. The story about the bomb planted in the room is an attempt to say that the act was a targeted intelligence action which would limit the scope and options for Iran to respond.

If it was a rocket, Iran has the right to respond under Section 51 of the UN Charter:
"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security."

In fact Iran has written to the UN to inform them of their plan to respond accordingly under Section 51. https://x.com/Divsallar/status/1818709341848891406

Remember Hezbollah has basically gone dark and is refusing to speak to Western mediators, yesterday Nasrallah openly stated that there will a be a response stronger and larger than the current stance in South Lebanon.

Yemen is itching to respond to the attack on their harbour.
Iraq is ready too.

Don't forget that the Iranian response in April was carried out after mediation through third parties with the US to limit the scope and Iran provided notice. That attack also allowed Iran to "see" the type of Air Defence that Israel has.

Basically the whole "resistance axis" have changed their stance from providing a support front for Gaza to responding to these attacks. Additionally from Axios:

"The Biden administration is concerned it may be more difficult to mobilize the same international and regional coalition of countries that defended Israel from the previous Iranian attack because Haniyeh's assassination is in the context of the Israel-Hamas war, which has drawn sharp anti-Israel sentiments across the region.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/01/us-iran-israel-attack-preparation

x.com

https://x.com/Divsallar/status/1818709341848891406

Parkingt111 · 02/08/2024 19:20

How much clearer does it have to be that Netanyahu doesn't want to end this war

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-frustrated-netanyahu-ordered-assassinations-after-feigning-commitment-to-gaza-deal-in-dc-axios/

DownNative · 02/08/2024 22:20

Iran's letter to the UN is not only ridiculous, but an example of irony since Iran via Hezbollah violates UNSC Resolution 1701 for the last 10 months. Additionally, Iran provided zero evidence that it was Israel who definitely took out Haniyeh. Israel is not the only entity with motive and opportunity to do so. It was done within Iranian territory - not a jet from Israel to Iran that fired a missile. That would be even more humiliating for Iran and would suggest they're rather poor at tracking aircraft entering their own airspace to proceed to target unmolested. Never mind the advantageous terrain chosen to make that rather difficult to do. Top Gun is really good fiction!

It looks like much the same coalition as earlier this year will assist Israel in defending itself against Iranian and Hezbollah attacks.

The United States deployed 12 warships in the Middle East.

Jordan is preparing, in cooperation with the US and British military, to confront the drones and missiles expected to be launched from Iran towards Israel.

UK's Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Tony Radakin met with IDF Chief of Staff General Herzi Halevi in Tel Aviv today. UK Secretary of Defence, John Healy, was also in Tel Aviv.

France warns Hezbollah their response will trigger Israeli strikes on Lebanon's critical infrastructure. The French officially say, "France supports the stability, unity, independence and sovereignty of Lebanon." They will not want Hezbollah to risk all that for Lebanon.

As for the Biden Administration, he's a lame duck President. Besides, their policy of appeasement despite the constant attacks on Israel from Iran via Hezbollah has only led to escalation. They've sent Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas the wrong message: they just need to hold out and keep pushing, and they will get what they want. That's how Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas read the behaviour of the Biden Administration. That's escalation.

Especially in an election year when the Democrats are more concerned about how American voters might treat them at the ballot box in November.

US efforts to micromanage warfare never goes well.

Senior advisor at the FDD think-tank, Richard Goldberg pointed out: “Iran has been waging a multi-front regional war for more than 9 months. Pressuring Israel to accept every escalation by Iran’s terror axis as a new normal brought us to this moment.”

The West has been opting for very short term tactical moves which hurts any long term military strategy, i.e., makes achieving war aims even harder. It shows they don't really understand the Middle East conflict dynamic.

Whatever Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis as well as militants as Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria do next....it'll mean more and more people will come to understand this isn't and never really was a war between Hamas & Israel.

It's a war between Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iraqi & Syrian militants against Israel.

A war Israel faces on multiple fronts. That's why it's important they have allies too. But, just as crucially, those allies cannot keep trying to micromanage the war as this costs more lives in the long run.

Additionally, Western COIN military strategy is inappropriate for this war and we've seen it really doesn't work in the long run against the type of enemy Israel faces.

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Kriscross · 03/08/2024 08:19

"It's a war between Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iraqi & Syrian militants against Israel.

A war Israel faces on multiple fronts. That's why it's important they have allies too. But, just as crucially, those allies cannot keep trying to micromanage the war as this costs more lives in the long run."

Yes, the allies need to support Israel from terrorist groups in all these countries. Their main aim seems to be destroy Israel. Secondary aim seems to cause mayhem and destruction in their individual countries. None are any good.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 03/08/2024 12:59

Their main aim seems to be destroy Israel.

Bibi's doing a masterful job of this all by himself.

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 14:25

Some information on the FDD, as if this wasn’t obvious from the blurb posted above.

‘According to a left-leaning ThinkProgress article dated July 19, 2011, about the major donors of FDD, “Most of the major donors are active philanthropists to ‘pro-Israel’ causes both in the U.S. and internationally. With the disclosure of its donor rolls, it becomes increasingly apparent that FDD’s advocacy of U.S. military intervention in the Middle East, its hawkish stance against Iran, and its defense of right-wing Israeli policy is consistent with its donors’ interests in ‘pro-Israel’ advocacy.”

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/foundation-defense-democracies/

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/foundation-defense-democracies-iran/

Will This Billionaire-Funded Think Tank Get Its War With Iran?

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies’ militaristic influence on US policy toward Iran is working. Suleimani’s assassination is evidence of that.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/foundation-defense-democracies-iran

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 14:26

@DownNative any thoughts on my previous question? Are you able to confirm, that you are against the oppression of entire groups of people?

DownNative · 03/08/2024 15:22

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 14:25

Some information on the FDD, as if this wasn’t obvious from the blurb posted above.

‘According to a left-leaning ThinkProgress article dated July 19, 2011, about the major donors of FDD, “Most of the major donors are active philanthropists to ‘pro-Israel’ causes both in the U.S. and internationally. With the disclosure of its donor rolls, it becomes increasingly apparent that FDD’s advocacy of U.S. military intervention in the Middle East, its hawkish stance against Iran, and its defense of right-wing Israeli policy is consistent with its donors’ interests in ‘pro-Israel’ advocacy.”

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/foundation-defense-democracies/

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/foundation-defense-democracies-iran/

Every individual and organisation has a bias, but to imply it means they're wrong about something is a logical fallacy based on that.

The reality shows the Biden Administration, aside from being a lame duck, has made things worse, not better. That includes their humanitarian pier concept. Biden Administration has been very poor on foreign policy since the beginning of his Presidency.

My point stands on that. 👍

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 15:37

I’ll agree with that part of what reads like a script, or something created by AI.

But I will argue it is because Biden has supported the Israeli offensive, when it has been clear from early on, that it has been a disproportionate balls up that has done more harm than good.

Also, any bias that ignores the human rights of a group of people is always wrong.

Kindatired · 03/08/2024 20:46

Miriam Adelson has funded FDD

BelleHathor · 03/08/2024 21:12

Kindatired · 03/08/2024 20:46

Miriam Adelson has funded FDD

And also pledged $100 million to the Trump campaign this year. Following the tradition of her late Husband who donated $20m in 2016 on the condition that Trump would move the American embassy to Jerusalem.
https://forward.com/fast-forward/618034/miriam-adelson-funding-trump-israel/

After hesitating, Miriam Adelson commits more than $100 million to Trump's campaign

Her late husband, the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, didn’t cut checks in 2016 for Trump until September of that year.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/618034/miriam-adelson-funding-trump-israel

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 21:19

I found an article that says she is Israels richest person, that’s a lot of leverage, at least theoretically.

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 21:21

PS I don’t think there is anything wrong with being pro Israel, as long as it’s couched within being pro all human beings.

BelleHathor · 03/08/2024 21:23

PeasfullPerson · 03/08/2024 21:19

I found an article that says she is Israels richest person, that’s a lot of leverage, at least theoretically.

Yeah, the fear is that if Trump wins, he'll increase arms and look the other way as more settlements are built and Gaza "resettled". The Republicans have gone all in on the we're Israel's best supporters which makes their very powerful Evangelical wing happy.

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