Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

It actually isn’t though.

I’m so bored of saying this but being anti-genocide isn’t hating Jewish people.

Imagine your child being beheaded in front of you. Right now. Picture it vividly in your mind. Imagine them being burned alive and you could do nothing.

That is what the IDF are doing. They are evil. And no I won’t allow you to call me anti-Semitic for thinking that. And no I won’t allow you to say Hamas are doing the same thing because they are not, not to the level the IDF are.

Israel are the terrorists here. I know you’ll say the hostages but it’s not even about that anymore. The IDF have held Gazan’s hostage for years and you never cared about that.

We’re not anti-semites we’re human beings that cannot stand the atrocities Israel are committing every second of every day.

Your support for Israel will be studied in decades to come, and it will not be favourable.

Absolutely everything @Cadela said.

Ok let’s rephrase, Israel should release all minors currently detained, release all minors who were previously tried in military courts. Under age children held in prison indefinitely/5/10 years is NOT normal. They aren’t normal prisoners the bulk have been snatched from their beds at night time. Thats not normal. They’ve been taken as human shields then dumped in prison. Call them prisoners in prison but that sounds like hostage taking.

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@PurpleChrayn was calling everyone anti-Semitic which is why they were deleted.

It actually isn’t though.

That is what the IDF are doing. They are evil. And no I won’t allow you to call me anti-Semitic for thinking that.

Except this is a complete distortion of what happened. The poster aggressively told an orthodox Jewish women she was lying about her heritage and she should also try googling rabbis (because apparently this non-Jew knew more than her about Judaism?) That's antisemitism. So yes, actually it was.

I’m so bored of saying this but being anti-genocide isn’t hating Jewish people.

I'm so bored of posters making out their being told their antisemitic because they're "anti-genocide". As per the above example.

@79Helene except you are distorting what happened. Heavily. And I actually find it very telling that you are. She asked me for evidence about said rabbis and I’ve asked her to go on YouTube or Google. I didn’t just randomly spout that at her. The fact that you are implying that is actually really rude and you are forcibly trying to push this agenda, which I will not allow. Secondly, you have now claimed me as a no Jew, and I’ve said no such thing! So wherein I assumed something about the poster wasn’t true, you’ve assumed something about me too haven’t you? 🤔

@79Helene Please highlight where I’ve sat here and told you my life story, my ethnic background and religious beliefs.

Rather than forcibly pushing an agenda, I suggest you take a look in the mirror and analyse your hypocrisy and biases.

@Cadela thank you for comments and explaining what I, and many others on this thread have been trying to explain.

@Sbzm Righto.

Stick to how law defines the terms hostage, prisoner and prisoner-of-war status.

"Rule 128

1. Civilian internees must be released as soon as the reasons that necessitated internment no longer exist, but at the latest as soon as possible after the close of active hostilities. (IAC)

2. Persons deprived of their liberty in relation to a non-international armed conflict must be released as soon as the reasons for the deprivation of their liberty cease to exist. (NIAC)

The persons referred to may continue to be deprived of their liberty if penal proceedings are pending against them or if they are serving a sentence lawfully imposed."

What you personally think something sounds like isn't really relevant. Of course, the situations of circumstances that gives rise to hostage taking, prisoner and prisoner-of-war isn't normal!

That's why it's defined carefully and specifically in IHL aka LOAC.

The situation with Palestinian prisoners is not the same as that you'll be used to in Europe, for example. Hostage taking definitely isn't!

Detention can go on as described above.

IAC = International Armed Conflict.

NIAC = Non-international Armed Conflict.

As to which of these the war in Gaza falls under, a case study in ICRC on the Gaza Operation some years ago asserts the following:

"At the end of the day, classification of the armed conflict between Hamas and Israel as international or non-international in the current context is largely of theoretical concern, as many similar norms and principles govern both types of conflicts."

See Rule 128 again.

It's also permitted to arrest an individual suspected of a crime hours later, including in the middle of the night. Indeed, peacetime police forces can do this too.

I repeat once more, a hostage is not equivalent to a prisoner who's been deprived of their liberty. These two categories are also not equivalent to the prisoner-of-war status.

That's the actual point and you can't really deflect away from that.

@79Helene adequate response.

Except that is what happened. So not gaslighting in the slightest.

I don't have a "religion". Can you hear yourself?

Of course you don’t! I hear myself loud and clear, and I stand by every single thought I have.

Was the war primarily instigated by Hamas? yes

Debateable. It wasn't created in a peaceful void.

Where would you rather be living right now Isreal or Gaza.

Thanks for your question, @NerdWhoEatsMedlar.

I don't really have time tonight to go into this one in some detail which I'll do some other time.

But my answer is that German partition with Berlin also divided between Sovereign Powers wasn't a solution.

And no, that kind of arrangement in the same way would not work for Israelis and Palestinians.

No doubt in my mind about that!

I will forever be shocked at the mental gymnastics people will exercise to prove that Israel killing 14,000 children in less than a year is not intentional genocide. The cognitive dissonance displayed "people can't possibly be horrified by scores of families and tiny children being killed by bombs; it must be because they hate Jewish people"

The actions of Israel no more represent Jewish people than isis represents Muslims. i.e. not at all.

Lots of solutions would work if the men involved stopped being so bloody minded. It's an absolute choice not to make it work. Fear on both sides.

I kind of agree. Fear, yes.

But what? I just can't see the end. There will always be something else. And the only people devastated by it are the innocent Israeli and Palestinian people.

The division on here is appalling. Arguing about who did what and why is just causing further division to a divided world.

Or Hamas the Palestinians

@K0OLA1D yes, exactly

But Hamas are Palestinians, right - but not all Jewish people are Israeli.

I'm not quite sure on the point you're trying to make?

No not all Jews are Israeli, where have I or anyone else said that?