Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

If we are to take this Cambridge dictionary definition of a terrorist, and accept that Netanyahu is using the war for political purposes, then what does that make him?

someone who uses violent action, or threats of violent action, for politicalpurposes:

And what does that make all the people using force to occupy buildings? And all the marchers and posters on here who claim "resistance is justified"? "Globalise the intifada!".

Not sure this is necessarily a path you want to be going down.

There are lots of examples of terrorists making the move to the negotiating table and bringing the men of violence with them. You make peace by dialogue with your enemies, not in the echo chambers of those who agree with you. You negotiate with their leaders in the hope that they can bring their followers with them. There have to be meaningful concessions for this to happen.This is all very unpalatable but it’s realpolitik, I’m afraid.

If Israel doesn’t seize the opportunity to do a deal, you don’t need a crystal ball to see the conflict will go on for 10 or more years with ethnic cleansing and famine in Gaza and the inevitable demise of those surviving hostages followed by increasing isolation of Israel as it says goodbye forever to the moral high ground to become a pariah state.

Whatever about McGuiness, don’t forget Arlene Foster and other unionists. At Protestant, the age of 8 she saw her father crawling on his hands and knees covered in blood after being shot by the IRA. The family has to leave their home and school. Her school bus was later blown up when she was a teenager. . But she sat down at that the table with McGuinesss as first minister because that’s the ugly kind of thing that is necessary to give the next generation a peaceful future.

And Menachem Begin, who became Prime Minister of Israel.

Absolutely, thank you.

Israel and its supporters = offended by and scared of everything

Also Israel and its supporters = ashamed of nothing

Should we remind ourselves what happened when Israel negotiated with Hamas in 2011? October 7th was a direct result of those negotiations. I think people would do well to stop ignoring that.

I am certain it will be unpalatable for both sides and that you are right this is the only way to achieve peace. This is what takes real strength and this is what is needed.

@Humdingerydoo

"And all the marchers and posters on here who claim "resistance is justified"? "

Is it not justified?

My question was what does this make Netanyahu.

October 7th? No, it wasn't justified.

Probably the same thing as it makes all the other people I mentioned.

Or are you going to do that thing where you pretend the phrase is actually referring to something else?

Let me try that again.

Is any resistance not justified?

Is the resistance they're referring to when chanting that phrase justified? No.

Excuse me?

@Humdingerydoo In my opinion and probably the eyes of many people in Gaza, and actually all over the world, it makes Netanyahu, who is prolonging the war for partly political purposes, a terrorist.

The people in Gaza and Hamas have to negotiate with a man, government, state, who is responsible for the destruction of their homes and the death of their friends and families.

They also have to set their anger and their fear aside. May you all find the strength to do this, because the only other real option, is much worse for everyone.

Then I guess by your definition the people occupying buildings by force, calling to globalise the intifada etc are terrorists. So the marches maybe aren't so peaceful after all then if they're full of terrorists?

I'm absolutely no fan of Netanyahu but maybe stop trying to change the meaning of words to support your narrative of choice. It's already been done with 'genocide', 'zionist' and 'apartheid', let's not also redefine 'terrorist'.

@Humdingerydoo

I'm sorry but you're talking about a phrase.

Yes Oct 7th was an atrocity. No one disputes that.

In 2023 up to 7th Oct, 502 Palestinians were shot by the IDF in the West Bank, including 120 children.

The worst year for child deaths in the West Bank since 2005.

In one year alone.

What in gods name do you expect of the Palestinians?

That is such a stretch it doesn’t even warrant a proper response.

Well apparently Israelis are expected to negotiate with terrorists, so I guess it would be reasonable to expect Palestinians to negotiate with Israel?

And the phrase we were discussing is one glorifying October 7th, so let's not pretend there aren't people who do dispute that October 7 was an atrocity. They're out at the protests every single week disputing just that.

Not a stretch, I'd even told you in my previous posts that it was the exact comparison I was making and to maybe not go down that path 🤦🏻‍♀️

Theres such a desperation to label anyone who supports the Palestinians as terrorists.

I was using the definition provided by Peasfull. My whole point was stop redefining words

Well that didn't happen here so you don't need to worry about it.