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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF airstrikes reportedly carried out on 'humanitarian area'

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Scirocco · 26/05/2024 22:18

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

The IDF have reportedly carried out airstrikes on displaced people, in an area Israel designated a 'humanitarian area'. They told people to go there, displaced people to that area, and have now reportedly bombed it.

Airstrikes on Rafah reportedly kill 30 after Hamas launches rockets at Tel Aviv

Medics in the southern Gaza city say the strikes hit an area of tents being used by displaced people.

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

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HappierTimesAhead · 28/05/2024 11:05

BorgQueen · 27/05/2024 21:48

They weren’t targetting the refugee camp 🙄 They targetted a Hamas weapons dump, which caused the fire when the munitions exploded. Blame Hamas for deliberately putting civilians in harms way, again.
Hamas will happily sacrifice every single Palestinian Woman and child for their ‘cause’, which is to destroy Israel.

This post is utterly disgusting. The fact that you think it is appropriate to use the roll eyes emoji in the context of babies being burned alive says a lot about you. As if we should all just accept that bombing civilians is okay if we say that Hamas/Hamas weaponry was suspected to be there. IT DOESN'T MATTER! If Hamas were hiding in my children's school right now it would not make it okay to bomb the school. You know this. You don't care. You think those children are collateral.

blurry5205 · 28/05/2024 11:08

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All of us?

ilovevinyl · 28/05/2024 11:11

Alwayslookonthe · 27/05/2024 14:32

I understand the raw emotion about this strike. It is horrific.

There’s much we don’t know. What we do know is important, though.

Senior Hamas combatants were the targets and were killed in the strike. Meaning the target was likely legitimate.

The question was the proportionality analysis done. That’s not something we know.

IHL expects civilian casualties, it does not demand that you eliminate them all together. It does demand you mitigate them to the best of your ability.

And that’s the question that must be answered.

There is no justification for this at all

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 11:11

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 10:20

Been looking for details of how many people were injured - the hospitals in Rafah are in total disarray/not functioning/surrounded by fighting so maybe more difficult than 'usual' to gather the information - the only estimated figure I've seen is 240 plus [Al Jazeera] appalling if true

On the BBC website last night, I saw that MSF mentioned they had treated 180 wounded. What I am not sure is who else is there also helping. If there are other medical agencies also treating people, there are more wounded.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 11:16

mollyfolk · 28/05/2024 08:28

Ok, I’m not getting that quote from the Z Irish times . It’s this

The White House described the incident as ‘heartbreaking.’ “Israel has a right to go after Hamas, but as we’ve been clear, Israel must take every precaution possible to protect civilians. We are actively engaging the [Israel Defense Forces] and partners on the ground to assess what happened,” said a spokesman for the National Security Council spokesperson.

I got that quote from the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7228x974lxo

I do not think the BBC would misquote
the U.S. official.

Palestinians inspect the damage after an Israeli army raid on a camp at an area designated for displaced people in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip.

Israel Gaza: Netanyahu vows to continue war amid air strike condemnation

At least 45 people were killed in a strike on Rafah, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7228x974lxo

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 11:22

Parkingt111 · 27/05/2024 22:03

Yes it's not OK
So sorry Ella
Imagine if us brits were collectively labelled and called similar because of our governments involvement in other wars.

Yes, agreed. There are so many Jewish people who want to live safely in security but who not agree with how Netanyahu is conducting this war, and who do want a peaceful solution.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 12:02

New independent satellite imagery of the camp 'before and after' the airstrike

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/05/28/240528_planet_labs_LBC.mp4

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/05/28/240528_planet_labs_LBC.mp4

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 13:32

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 12:02

New independent satellite imagery of the camp 'before and after' the airstrike

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2024/05/28/240528_planet_labs_LBC.mp4

You can pretty much decide for yourself if the airstrike was 'on' or 'near' the tents- if you go with 'near' that'll be so 'near' that they're almost touching

Guess that this will be the defence tho' - like the Iranian embassy strike

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 13:39

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

it’s exactly what they want.

More fool Israel then. Mighty Israel backed by America in the power of Hamas, while losing the respect of the world.

As for war is war. That’s from uncivilised Hell that we were supposed to be moving away from. Hiroshima is fine as long as they can’t nuke you back etc.

HappierTimesAhead · 28/05/2024 13:40

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

You are completely deluded. You simply cannot compare what is happening in Gaza right now to what happened during WW2. Stop calling this a war when the power imbalance is so huge. Your argument allows for Israel to kill every single person in Gaza until Hamas is 'eradicated'. You support Genocide.

ConnieCounter · 28/05/2024 13:59

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

When your idea of urban warfare is dropping 2000lb American bombs onto residential areas then yes, civilians are going to die. You are taking these actions in the full knowledge that you are killing large numbers of civilians.

The Geneva conventions were introduced so that the outrageous atrocities of WWII could never be repeated. And here you are, acting as though large scale bombings of cities is noble!

dinomirror · 28/05/2024 14:10

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Disgusting views. You must be a despicable person

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:11

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

Second call for 'Bingo'

'Collateral''

Collateral damage is a military euphemism for killing civilians albeit creeping into the everyday language of some posters on MN

So call it what it is 'killing civilians'

It is de-humanising in either context and therefore unwelcome and deeply unpleasant

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queenofarles · 28/05/2024 14:17

-Flour Massacre 117 dead , IDF response ? Mistake

-shooting and killing of Hind and the Red Crescent aids dispatched to save her ? Mistake

-targeting and killing of 7 foreign aid workers?mistake.
— hospitals Mass graves , at least 392 Civilians , mistake.

  • St Porphyrius church air strike, 18 people killed , mistake.

, thats just a drop of many "Mistakes" in matter of months , Not years . They are not collateral damage , they are collective punishment, carried out with precision.

anotherlevel · 28/05/2024 14:22

@queenofarles "mistakes" that they never seem to learn from.

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 14:34

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Whatever is happening now is NOT a Holocaust. Millions, yes millions, of innocent civilians, mainly Jews, were exterminated in concentration camps during the Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis during WW2.

blackcherryconserve · 28/05/2024 14:35

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 13:28

In completely unemotional terms - civilian deaths ARE collateral damage and to some extent unavoidable in urban warfare.
There is no getting around that. You can’t negiotiate with terrorists whose only goal is destruction.
Hamas and their masters are positively gleeful at the civilian carnage and the western handwringing,
it’s exactly what they want.

During WW2, we firebombed German cities, to destroy the manufacturing infrastructure / road and rail networks - the alternative was surrender and becoming occupied like mainland Europe, many thousands of German civilians were killed, as were the hundreds of thousands of European civilians killed as the Allies fought their way from Normandy to Berlin - was that murder?

No, it was the unfortunate consequence of war.

100% agree BorgQueen

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:38

Posting this here as well

Israeli army says it used small munitions in Rafah airstrike, and fire was caused by secondary blast

The Israeli military says an initial investigation into a strike that sparked a deadly weekend fire in a tent camp in the southern Gaza city of Rafah has found the blaze was caused by a secondary explosion.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the chief military spokesman, said Tuesday that the military fired two 17-kilogram (37-pound) munitions that targeted two senior Hamas militants. He said the munitions would have been too small to ignite a fire on their own and the military is looking into the possibility that weapons were stored in the area.

These sounds more likely than 2000lb bombs no massive craters on satellite images above or is this the rumoured Hamas ammunition dump?

There will be lots of eye-witnesses so hope they are interviewed too

Parkingt111 · 28/05/2024 14:43

Omg a new massacre on tents of civilians seems to have just taken place 😭😭😭

Parkingt111 · 28/05/2024 14:47

From sky

Some 21 Palestinians have been killed and dozens wounded in new Israeli strikes on a tent area to the west of Rafah, Palestinian health officials have said.
The strikes targeted tents of displaced families in the designated humanitarian area in Mawasi in western Rafah, medics and residents told Reuters.
At least 12 of those killed were women, medical officials said.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 14:53

Very very sadly this is exactly what was predicted by the US [and everyone else] - a land invasion into a densely crowded area crammed with vulnerable people in flimsy flammable tents- resulting in repeated atrocities

TheABC · 28/05/2024 14:57

Flimsy tents, no food and I don't think there are any hospitals left, either. The indirect death toll of this war will be horrendous.

HappierTimesAhead · 28/05/2024 15:02

It will make no difference to what happens next but I sense a real shift in public opinion. I see people posting on SM who have never posted about Gaza before. The world can clearly see what is happening right now and no one will look back on this and think that the Israeli government were justified in carrying out these atrocities.

ConnieCounter · 28/05/2024 15:04

Wow. They really don't give a shit how many Palestinians they kill. The IDF are savages. This is very distressing news. God help them all.