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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF airstrikes reportedly carried out on 'humanitarian area'

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Scirocco · 26/05/2024 22:18

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

The IDF have reportedly carried out airstrikes on displaced people, in an area Israel designated a 'humanitarian area'. They told people to go there, displaced people to that area, and have now reportedly bombed it.

Airstrikes on Rafah reportedly kill 30 after Hamas launches rockets at Tel Aviv

Medics in the southern Gaza city say the strikes hit an area of tents being used by displaced people.

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-launches-first-rocket-attack-on-israel-from-gaza-in-months-13143299

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mollyfolk · 28/05/2024 08:28

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 03:30

From the BBC:

The US called the images "heartbreaking" but insisted Israel had a right to defend itself.

"Israel has a right to go after Hamas, and we understand this strike killed two senior Hamas terrorists who are responsible for attacks against Israeli civilians," a White House national security spokesperson said.

For America to express the event in these terms, as though the mistake of the attack was not entirely out of proportion in relation to the gains -

given that 50 sheltering Palestinians were killed, including children, and at least 180 more are being treated for horrible wounds by one agency alone -

is not in the spirit of the law and makes the USA seem weak, it is so nonsensical as well as immoral.

Just at least say Israel made a catastrophic decision in carrying out that attack, and they had told them not to go there.

Ok, I’m not getting that quote from the Z Irish times . It’s this

The White House described the incident as ‘heartbreaking.’ “Israel has a right to go after Hamas, but as we’ve been clear, Israel must take every precaution possible to protect civilians. We are actively engaging the [Israel Defense Forces] and partners on the ground to assess what happened,” said a spokesman for the National Security Council spokesperson.

PeasfullPerson · 28/05/2024 08:31

AhNowTed · 28/05/2024 00:57

Thank you @ScrollingLeaves

My daughter has eczema complications, resulting in herpes and streptococcus infections covering her entire body, which lead to kidney failure.

She would not survive in Gaza.

Imagine all the other treatable conditions that would not survive now.

And this is without the bombs.

It’s a scary thought isn’t it. I have similar, and it makes me incredibly sad and angry. I don’t know how people can be completely switched off to the suffering, we all have blind spots and will focus on issues we relate to and have more knowledge of. I don’t think any of us will ever grasp another persons pain in its entirety, but it makes me lose faith in humanity when people can’t even entertain in their mind the unbearable and unjust suffering that these parents and children are trying to endure.
I’m sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope she stays well and that we remain in a situation where help and medication is readily available.

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 08:36

PeasfullPerson · 27/05/2024 22:32

@Auvergne63 when I see those children suffering, it takes me back to a long period of time when one of my children was very unwell, and the distress I felt at not being able to make it better. Not being able to help my child was for me a pain that I felt throughout my entire body, it was if the whole world was wrong. I was lucky, my child is OK, we had health care and a safe home with plenty of food to eat. In these ideal circumstances, and without the added anger of this being caused by another human being, it took us both years to recover, me mentally, and my child physically and mentally. If these people survive, I wonder how they will begin to recover.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I am glad you have both recovered. I also do not know how these people are going to heal.

PeasfullPerson · 28/05/2024 08:38

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2024 03:30

From the BBC:

The US called the images "heartbreaking" but insisted Israel had a right to defend itself.

"Israel has a right to go after Hamas, and we understand this strike killed two senior Hamas terrorists who are responsible for attacks against Israeli civilians," a White House national security spokesperson said.

For America to express the event in these terms, as though the mistake of the attack was not entirely out of proportion in relation to the gains -

given that 50 sheltering Palestinians were killed, including children, and at least 180 more are being treated for horrible wounds by one agency alone -

is not in the spirit of the law and makes the USA seem weak, it is so nonsensical as well as immoral.

Just at least say Israel made a catastrophic decision in carrying out that attack, and they had told them not to go there.

It just shows how little respect the Israeli and US government has for Palestinian lives.

Israel won’t risk any of its own soldiers, it would rather burn children alive than do this, and it’s OK to them because it’s the wrong sort of children.

And if these senior members of Hamas were really there, then yes go back to your bloody tunnels.

Cowards, all of them.

ssd · 28/05/2024 08:42

I agree. I think its very basic humanity to feel outrage and pain at the unendurable suffering going on in Gaza right now. It takes nothing away from what Israel suffered on oct 7th, that was vile and inhuman too. To not see both in the same light really takes years of indoctrination, that serves to wipe out what basic humanity a person was born with.
I pity anyone who is like that. It also scares me as these people present as normal.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 08:43

There's in the order of 300000 adults and children in Gaza with chronic health conditions - including cancer, heart conditions, hypertension, asthma, PTSD who are currently receiving little or no healthcare

And 20000 adults and children in need of medical evacuation out of Gaza because of the severity of their injuries or acute/health conditions

It's a little reported tragedy

PeasfullPerson · 28/05/2024 08:50

Thanks for that information @Efacsen It’s sad this extra layering of suffering doesn’t get much attention, I expect it will become more apparent when the dust settles. It’s not as if when the bombs stop falling everything will return to normal.

julili · 28/05/2024 08:55

ssd · 28/05/2024 08:42

I agree. I think its very basic humanity to feel outrage and pain at the unendurable suffering going on in Gaza right now. It takes nothing away from what Israel suffered on oct 7th, that was vile and inhuman too. To not see both in the same light really takes years of indoctrination, that serves to wipe out what basic humanity a person was born with.
I pity anyone who is like that. It also scares me as these people present as normal.

I have been completely horrified by some people I know in person revealing that they think what Israel is doing is acceptable.

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:00

julili · 28/05/2024 08:55

I have been completely horrified by some people I know in person revealing that they think what Israel is doing is acceptable.

Yeah my brother did on WhatsApp last month. It caused a pretty passionate exchange between all of we siblings. He started out by saying it’s not genocide and the term genocide is so overused and that what was going on was at most an incompetent military causing a lot of civilian deaths and to be expected when most of an army are poorly trained conscripts.

I said I was going by the internationally accepted legal definition of genocide in the Geneva Convention. He then said genocide is killing an entire population…so I sent him the definition.

We ended up agreeing to disagree.

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 09:07

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?

Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.

It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 09:11

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 09:07

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?

Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.

It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

BINGO!

We've not had the super-crass patronising 'It's a war. What do you expect' for a while

Can't say I've missed it

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:12

@BorgQueen
Your post is over 90% false propaganda, well done.

Grandmasswagbag · 28/05/2024 09:13

The daily death toll in Gaza is higher than any other 21st century armed conflict. I'm not sure how that equates to far less civilians being killed than any other conflict? And clearly there's no sign of the conflict stopping any time soon. God knows what the eventual toll could be.

headstone · 28/05/2024 09:14

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Grandmasswagbag · 28/05/2024 09:14

Like others have suggested I can only assume MN has been infiltrated by bots..there's so much rubbish posted here.

Auvergne63 · 28/05/2024 09:15

BorgQueen · 28/05/2024 09:07

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?

Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.

It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

I don't know where to start, except to say that it is infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the against humanity side , even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:22

Public Service Announcement

The strikethrough bits are all false…

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?
Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.
It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

allthingsred · 28/05/2024 09:25

The idea that people can try to defend this in anyway is incomprehendable.

Are you seeing what is out there?
A parent holding their decapitated child?
Children scooping the body parts of their siblings into plastic bags?
And people think its ok?
Terrifying & frankly pyschopathic

I said at the start of this..it was world changing..is it?..i dont know. But my view of the world has changed watching this. My eyes are now open to how our media & goverment works. Sadly very few people in either industry are coming up fair & uncorrupted

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 09:46

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:22

Public Service Announcement

The strikethrough bits are all false…

In all honesty, just what do people expect?
It’s a WAR, heartbreakingly awful things happen.
What is the alternative? Should Israel just let hundreds of rockets be fired at them daily?
Hamas have deliberately put themselves in the midst of the civilian population, their mission is to obliterate Israel, they are a medieval death cult, there is no ‘peace agreement’ to be had with them and they will not stop until they are destroyed.
The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.
Israel are sending enormous amounts of aid in, far more than anyone else.
There is plenty of impartial, fact checked info out there.
It’s hard to cut through the propaganda, on both sides, it’s also infuriating to see people swallowing any old bullshit put out by the pro Palestine side, even when it’s demonstrably false / staged, whilst at the same time refusing to believe anything to the contrary.

That's quite a neat solution to the almost total fabrication in this post

IbisDancer · 28/05/2024 09:49

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 09:46

That's quite a neat solution to the almost total fabrication in this post

I could spend a few hours debunking every bit that is false in there, but that is what they want and also a derail and also would fall on their deaf ears..

As they said the fact checked info is out there,…it just isn’t any of the so called facts they listed.

queenofarles · 28/05/2024 10:19

The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct,

where did you get that percentage? did you look up the War in Iraq? Ukraine Russian war?
the number of civilian death casualties in the first three years of the war combined are pretty much equal to the number of civilians killed in GAZA in the last 8 months.
Russian Ukraine war number of civilian death casualties in two years are 10,000.

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 10:20

Been looking for details of how many people were injured - the hospitals in Rafah are in total disarray/not functioning/surrounded by fighting so maybe more difficult than 'usual' to gather the information - the only estimated figure I've seen is 240 plus [Al Jazeera] appalling if true

Efacsen · 28/05/2024 10:49

Think that MSF are working out of a field hospital in Al Mawasi

Medical workers in Gaza ‘exhausted’ and their message is not getting through, the MSF chief has said.

When asked about the types and extent of injuries arising out of an Israeli airstrike in Rafah that left at least 45 people dead, Dr Christos Christou, the Médecins Sans Frontières International president, says his organisation’s medical facility received more than 128 patients, some of whom, after being stabilised, have nowhere to turn for further surgical treatment.

Christou says he and MSF staff are exhausted and the message – that medical aid and the ability to transfer patients out of Gaza for treatment is desperately needed – is not getting through

Gaza | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 10:56

The death toll for civilians is far less, percentage wise, than pretty much any other confilct, it could have been far lower if neighbouring countries would have accepted refugees.

I can only assume this poster doesn't know what numbers or percentages are. all neighbouring countries host a multitude of Palestinian refugees. the crossing to Egypt is currently closed by Israel. but again facts can't stand against delusion.

therealcookiemonster · 28/05/2024 10:59

Grandmasswagbag · 28/05/2024 09:13

The daily death toll in Gaza is higher than any other 21st century armed conflict. I'm not sure how that equates to far less civilians being killed than any other conflict? And clearly there's no sign of the conflict stopping any time soon. God knows what the eventual toll could be.

let's not forget that thousands more buried under the rubble haven't been counted, and may never be found and identified.

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