"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

It comes down to land; Israel wont give up the '67 borders it conquered.

Land has always been the source of conflcit here.

@DownNative

Following your logic, people should also stop speaking out against antisemitism because it helps Jewish extremists like Netanyahu and Ben Gvir.

You surely agree?

So - just to clarify- you think it is “largely untrue” that Hamas is a terrorist group and you consider their actions to be “perfectly legitimate “.

Anyone who claims to care about the terrible situation of the people in Gaza should recognise that Hamas are partly responsible for their suffering. It’s extraordinary that some people give Hamas a free pass for any kind of abhorrent behaviour- even when their own citizens are victims.

Indeed, it is perfectly legit for Palestinians combatants to fight security forces of Israel.

This in itself is not a warcrime.

SO when you hear the label "terrorist" know it is largely untrue when applied to such activity.

Are you including October 7 in this?

October 7th was a terrorist attack primarily against civilians. That is not resistance. It's terrorism.

I personally class all indiscriminate violence and killing against civilians for political reasons as terrorism.

October 7th - terrorism
IDF in Gaza for the last six months - terrorism

Neither of these are right or justified.

The last six months in Gaza are in my opinion terrorism wrapped up in the much more palatable words of security and war.

I feel as though I need to labour the point about Gaza more because I really haven’t heard anyone who would explicitly justify October 7th.

I imagine if this space was mostly filled with people who thought October 7th was justified I would labour that point more.

As far as I am concerned, justification of any of these acts puts your morals in the gutter.

I can understand why , in the trauma and terror of the current conflict, some (many?) Gazans support Hamas - because they haven’t got ANYTHING else and are intensely vulnerable, traumatised and afraid.
But for people who are living in safety it is disgraceful not to see how Hamas has contributed to the horror for everyone in the region.

Indeed, it is perfectly legit for Palestinians combatants to fight security forces of Israel.

This in itself is not a warcrime.

SO when you hear the label "terrorist" know it is largely untrue when applied to such activity.

What do you think, Tienne?

Resisting against the occupation in the west bank is legal.
Listen to what this Israeli minister said:

'Where there Is occupation, there will be resistance'

Do you expect the Palestinians to just endure the daily oppression by people who deny them their own land and basic rights?

To clarify this minister is talking about the occupied west bank and not Gaza

'The last six months in Gaza are in my opinion terrorism wrapped up in the much more palatable words of security and war.' Exactly. Apparently it's not a crime if men in uniform commit a massacre, but it is if men in masks do it.

Same goes for Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, the IDF & the illegal settlers (diaspora Jews who literally move to Israel & drive Palestinians out of their homes with guns). How are they less to blame than Hamas for the conflagration? Everywhere you look, there is an equivalence between the extremism on both sides, the difference being that one side holds nearly all the cards.

@HectortheHelicopter

So when are you planning to go & join the 'resistance'?

Do you think they'll welcome you with open arms?

What is it that you think you're achieving with the avalanche of text / posts?

Surprised you haven't been recruited already, what with your dazzling political & military insights.

Hey, maybe you could work on their propaganda!? Although they probably prefer paragraphs.

@Tienne

No, you are incorrect. That is the US spelling.

British spelling is used here in the UK and MN is an English site.

behoove
verb [ T ] US formalUS /(UK behove, UK

@ConnieCounter , @Marjoriefrobisher was actually correct. The UK spelling is behove.

And I agree with @Marjoriefrobisher - calling her comment snarky when so many comments have been deleted on this thread about certain views is a strange reaction .

Shouldn't you be more concerned that so many comments professing a certain opinion have been deleted?

Edited to add the word "more."

I didn't realise that those of us not from the UK have to switch to UK English when posting here. How reasonable of you to suggest that.

I can comment on any post I choose to, thanks. If you think the matter is not appropriate to be discussed here you should take it up with the poster who made an issue of it in the first place.

@ConnieCounter I did not state you could not post!

What I did say was it was bizarre that you said @Marjoriefrobisher was incorrect when she was right. Behove is the correct way to spell it whether you like it or not. What I did not like was you making a personal attack on the poster by calling her snarky.

Only the way the original poster spelled it is also correct. So the point is moot. It wasn't a personal attack. Her tone was snarky so that's just factual.

That's your opinion - doesn't make it a fact.

The spelling convention in the UK is UK English. So she was correct.

this is a british dictionary
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/behoove

Cambridge is a University in England; this is a fact
Geograph and Vocabulary lesson today

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/behoove

They arent mutually exclusive: BOTH Israel and Palestine can be in the wrong
Indeed, it seems the ICC has found a balance in this.

There is no mainstream support for Hamas.

Quite a bit for Israel and many of those people use claims of "anti-semitism" to deflect accurate criticims of Israel though.

Behoove and behove are both accepted spellings in the UK.

And a little over 1 in 3 people responding to this survey said they would back Netanyahu over his main potential electoral rivals.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-first-time-in-a-year-poll-shows-netanyahu-preferred-to-gantz-as-prime-minister/

I agree with your first paragraph.
it was the previous post I found unclear
Indeed, it is perfectly legit for Palestinians combatants to fight security forces of Israel.

This in itself is not a warcrime.

SO when you hear the label "terrorist" know it is largely untrue when applied to such activity.