"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

No international court would suggest Hamas put the Gazan population in harms way.

Don't bet on it.

”behoove” 😂

I think this is called wishful thinking

Wow the lunatics have really taken over the asylum now and they’re still standing.

I have been suspended simply for linking to information freely available online.

There really is something going on with this board on MN.

@HectortheHelicopter: Three things.

1.)Conflating Israel with the IDF and the Israeli Govt is anti-Semitic as it is the Jewish state - not the IDF or Govt.
2.) Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation is illegal
3.) You know both of the above.

It’s called bollocks, is what it’s called

Yeah that too😂

You have absolutely hit the nail on the head with your statement here:

"Apart from the fact that each casualty, whatever the side, is an individual and not just a number - The number of casualties in a war is not always the best measure of who is the most blameworthy. There are other factors."

You are absolutely correct to point out that other factors are 100% of critical importance - money and attention spent on defence of civilians is one factor you stated.

Another factor is the use of civilians as human shields as Nato StratCom COE identified in regards to Hamas.

Yet another factor is the deliberate tactic of terrorist groups operating in, amongst and around civilians as well as civilian infrastructure.

That also leads to another factor that increases in a direct relationship with those terrorist tactics - the unintentional killing of civilians.

There are more factors, but the point is made - context and variable factors is required in order to make sense of statistics recording deaths, injuries and other conflict caused incidents.

Contrary to what some might think, Hamas does have a responsibility to minimise any and all risks to civilians. Whether those civilians are Palestinian or Israeli.

It goes without saying that Sovereign Powers also have that responsibility, but everyone knows that whereas not everyone is aware terrorist groups do too.

But a very good post that should give food for thought to some people. 👍

You said part of Hamas's mission is to end illegal occupation.

No,their mission is clear and unequivocal - to eliminate the Jewish State.
That is not noble.

It is genocidist.

Correct.

WIKI: 'Palestinians have a recognized right under international law to resist Israeli occupation under Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions.' Hamas are entitled to do that too, even tho' I admit they, like the Israeli, also commit warcrimes.

Reported.

For what exactly? Freethinking? Sharing facts you want to remain in denial of?

That's a clear Strawman Argument Fallacy since that's not what I'm doing.

However, you seem to be confused as to whether Hamas is a "national liberation movement" or a genocidal one.

One or the other since International Humanitarian Law does NOT legitimise Hamas' clear terrorist actions.

So according to you, one side in theory could kill a million civilians & the other 100 & there would still be a debate to be had about who was more immoral? What more evidence could anyone need that you don't think all lives are equally valuable? So what's the criterion by which we assess one child's life on one side being worth 160 kids' lives on the other? 'Israel has killed over 16,000 kids over the past 15 years up until the present day, Hamas less than a 100.'

No, but it recognises the right of all Palestinians to resist, including Hamas, as long as they don't commit warcrimes, which I've accepted they do. But that doesn't detract from fact Israel is illegal occupier. I'm not confused at all: Hamas is a resistance movement that deploys terror tactics & antisemitic, sometimes genocidal rhetoric. Israel is an apartheid state that deploys terror tactics & racist, sometimes genocidal rhetoric, & is now lapsing into 'plausible genocide'. The difference is that Hamas hasn't the means to commit genocide, but Israel has.

You said " Israel has killed over 16,000 kids over the past 15 years up until the present day".

No - the IDF's operations is to eliminate Hamas who carried out the worst terrorist attack this century.
Israel - the Jewish State - did not kill anybody. It IS anti-Semitic and if that does not make sense to you, then that is your problem.

It's like saying Gaza killed, murdered and raped, took hostages from Israel. But Gaza did not. Their Govt did.

@HectortheHelicopter

Thanks for proving my point.

If you believe Hamas to be a legitimate resistance movement rather than a proscribed terrorist organization then you are severely lacking in the objectivity you claim to promote.

Sheds more light on your creative writing exercise earlier in the thread:

'Only yesterday I met a young white Englishman who gleefully declared (insert BS about imaginary person & the IDF here) '

Did ye, aye?

Such scintillating anecdata to go with the Wiki-web spam.

People should be allowed to mourn their dead. It is indecent to not allow Jews to process the events of 7th without harassing them.

Mourning the murdered does not equal supporting Netanyahu, or endorsing the killing of innocents in Gaza. This cinema should have been left alone.

Only if you think Israel would kill the population of Gaza, a war crime.

see ICC and ICJ

Everyone should be able to mourn their dead. That shouldn't translate into racist and religiously motivated abuse of others.