"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

That does not make it right, every single child who died in October was an innocent one! They did not kill or injure an single Palestinian child.

I am completely against the tactics currently being used in palastine and I've made that perfectly clear but this attempt at what aboutery is also completely wrong! Nothing justifies what happened to those innocent people in October or what is currently happening to the innocents in palastine. It's really not helpful and is being used by to many people on both sides

Two wrongs do not make a right, not ever. Everyone who has committed crimes against innocents should be brought to justice.

"The Palestinian resistance"?

Amnesty International designates Israel an 'apartheid state', so it stands to reason that those who benefit from apartheid are supremacists. Were the Afrikaners in South Africa not white supremacists under their apartheid? EXCERPT: Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.
Laws, policies and practices which are intended to maintain a cruel system of control over Palestinians, have left them fragmented geographically and politically, frequently impoverished, and in a constant state of fear and insecurity.' https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

Who are the “Palestinian resistance”?
I’d liked to know also

Yes, Hamas and the other Palestinian militias are a national liberation movement i.e. resistance fighters who regrettably often deploy asymmetrical terror tactics & sometimes antisemitic rhetoric. Just because some of their tactics are reprehensible doesn't mean their wider goal of dismantling an apartheid regime & repelling an internationally recognised illegal occupier is illegitimate, does it? Israel also uses terror tactics: collective punishment; administrative detention without trial, including child prisoners; backing & arming illegal settlers as they dispossess Palestinians in West Bank of their very homes; 'mowing the lawn' i.e. periodic bombing & shooting sprees. Does that invalidate Israel's right to exist in your eyes? EXCERPT: 'In July 2014, Israel dropped leaflets into Shujaiya, a densely populated residential neighborhood in Gaza City, warning that the IDF would be attacking soon and residents should evacuate. 11 artillery battalions—at least 258 artillery pieces—rained down over 7,000 explosive shells (nearly 5,000 were within seven hours), alongside a ground assault supported by armored cavalry, helicopters firing rockets, and F-16s firing bombs.
“The only possible reason for doing that is to kill a lot of people in as short of a period of time as possible,” said one senior U.S. military officer quoted by Al Jazeera America. “It's not mowing the lawn. It's removing the topsoil.”
The phrase “mowing the lawn” has long been used as shorthand for Israel’s strategy towards Gaza: bursts of horrifying violence—collective punishment of Palestinians for Hamas operations—followed by periods of “calm” where survivors are left to clear the rubble and bury dead civilians, rebuilding increasingly less of their ailing infrastructure while Israel commits to deepening its occupation, expanding its settlements, and bolstering its apartheid regime.'

Hamas are terrorists scum and supporting them is illegal.

You seem to be suggesting that what the “Palestinian resistance “ did is less heinous because the Israelis has fewer civilian victims.

Apart from the fact that each casualty, whatever the side, is an individual and not just a number - The number of casualties in a war is not always the best measure of who is the most blameworthy. There are other factors. ( eg how much money and attention is spent in defence of civilians)
Hamas as the ruling government of Gaza did not do enough to protect their citizens and wilfully and knowingly put them in harm’s way with their actions on October 7th. Part of the reason that the civilian casualty numbers are so horrifically high is because the Hamas leadership have made no efforts to protect them - instead seeing their suffering as useful material for their online war . Israel’s actions have shocked me and I’m not defending Israel but the enormous loss of life is also partly Hamas’s responsibility .

Thanks for this, worth reiterating

Yes - and they cause terror for Palestinians also.

@HectortheHelicopter

Who are the "Palestinian resistance"?

The answer to this question really needs to be emphasized if we're to have an "objective" understanding of this conflict & your views on it.

Protect them with what in a rubblestrewn moonscape, exactly? Let them in the tunnels Israel is flooding? Israel is losing the 'online war' because they're killing civilains so indiscriminately & cruelly. The best PR for Hamas is Israel going off the genocidal deep end, which it has been doing. Israel are the ones with the billionaire press & big tech largely onside, so the fact they're losing support is testament to their brutality, not because of Hamas influencers. I'm very much stating that the side racking up a vastly larger civilian bodycount both before and after October the 7th is more likely to be the main cause of the problem, yes I am. If Israel kills nearly 7000 Palestinians in 15 years, then Hamas retaliates & goes on a rampage, killing a 1000-odd, how are Israel the good guys or the wronged party? It doesn't mean Hamas are either, but it certainly creates at the least a striking equivalence between the two.

You cannot argue that Israel is behaving in immoral ways and then state
“Hamas are …resistance fighters who regrettably often deploy asymmetrical terror tactics & sometimes antisemitic rhetoric. Just because some of their tactics are reprehensible doesn't mean their wider goal of dismantling an apartheid regime & repelling an internationally recognised illegal occupier is illegitimate, does it?”
Im afraid you’ve adopted the immoral low ground and the view is very limited from that position

you cannot have a « de facto » legal definition of anything. That makes no sense.
point me to the legislation that establishes a definition of anti semitism. There will be your answer.

U wot

Hamas and ‘noble’?

Hmm not sure about supporting them in any way

Just report. It’s not ok. Needs to be removed.

Protecting your citizens is more noble than leaving the most vulnerable of your citizens in serious danger and then using their suffering to gain public support.

Just report and don’t engage - supporting terrorist organisations is illegal

Incorrect. No international court would suggest Hamas put the Gazan population in harms way.

Israel has an obligation to prevent civilan deaths as does Hamas. Hamas deliberately targeted civilans and is deemed a terrorist organisation.

Israel has corssed the line into collective punishment with the starvation tactics. In addition, the Where's Daddy Prgram greatly diminished the concept of "collateral damage".

Israel will likely be deemed to have failed to prevent genocide, a breach of their treaty commitments.

The ICJ and ICC will provide their opinions, and it will behoove the Western states to deliver consequences to Israel.

Incorrect. No international court would suggest Hamas put the Gazan population in harms way.

You don’t think that Hamas action on October 7th put the Gazan people at risk ?