New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

If you really care about Palestinian civilians, are you going to call out Hamas for what they are, and demand help from the international community to get rid of Hamas? When will you start protesting against Hamas?

Have you watched the video yet?

Are you going to call out Hamas for the disgusting loss of life at their hands?Are you going to call out Hamas for all kinds of other issues, such as lack of religious freedom, rights for women, the appalling lack of freedoms that you so enjoy living in the West. etc?

Hamas have agreed to a 2 state solution.

Do you have a link of any senior Hamas members stating this post October 7?

Anything pre October 7 is nonsense. There was in fact quite a sustained period of improved relations. More visas were granted to Gazans to work in Israel. There were grassroots organisations working to improve relations (some of the Gazan participants horribly betrayed this trust by giving Hamas information on the border kibbutzim). It was tentative, but it was something that could have been built on.
Instead Hamas did what they did. October 7 was not an action that spoke loudly of a longing for a peaceful, two-state coexistence.

Right so. Let's carrying on killing 1000s of people for decades to come. Let's continue the occupation that has been working so well. The expansion of settlements that have worked so well in promoting peace and security. The taking of 1000s of Palestinians into detention that has worked so well. Israel do not want a 2 state solution. They don't even hide it either. But it's getting to the point where it is tough shit isn't it?

Please show me a reliable report that 'Hamas has agreed to a two state solution's PearlKoala

The October terror attack took hundreds of hostages and took over 1000 lives but it was limited to the outskirts of Isreal. This does not justify it in anyway, every loss of an innocent life was an outrageous genocide that should be punished but it does say something about the fighting capability of Hamas.

We have to ask ourselves why was this attack so limited? It was because Hamas had limited fighting capabilities and were unable to take the whole of Isreal at that time, despite funding from hostile states. It tells us that at that moment in they did not have sufficient support from the palastine population to carry out a country wide attack.

Hamas are guilty of genocide and there is absolutely no doubt what so ever that Isreal needed to immediately respond to this disgusting attack and that it was defending itself from future attacks, but did it need to do so in the way it has done it?

Does it need to keep up the current intensity? The problem is the sheer intensity, loss of life and the effect their actions ie bombing civilian infastructure and the food and supply issue, is having on the innocent citizens of Gaza. Targeting the military installations and tunnels would have been acceptable. They are the rules of war.

The current tactic is probably giving hamas the support it required but did not have from the Palestinian people.

It is costing them support from other governments and at this point it seems to me that they are damaging the states future standing on the world stage.

This is not about antisemitism or siding with a particular side. I don't side with either. It's an absolute tragedy that millions of citizens in both States have been subjected to death hatred and violence for so many years due to the inability of people in power to negotiate a lasting peace and solution.

Isreal has the right to exist peacefully and so does palastine and anyone against this should be removed from power and any normal citizen attacking people should be classed as a terrorist and locked away for life.

Mummy2024 you have omitted the fact that Hamas was bombarding southern Israel with rockets on 7 October while they also broke through and raped, massacred, butchered and kidnapped innocent civilians. THEY ARE STILL SENDING ROCKETS as I write. Two journalist friends were there this week and had to shelter from them.

@Mummy2024 Is there a reason you repeatedly misspell Israel?

@MrsAllsorts

I have done more work on the ground for human rights, including human rights in Palestine, than most people posting here will have. Some of my friends and colleagues have died for human rights in Palestine. I haven't waved a placard about Hamas on a street corner over here because it doesn't make any difference to them. Instead, I have been directly active in that area. Once you have risked your life in a conflict zone, or directly spoken up to the faces of representatives of an oppressive government, then you can tell me if you think waving a placard about Hamas would be more helpful than those things in trying to challenge them.

Which video? The one referenced in the OP? Read the thread and you'll see what I wrote. Read the other threads and you'll see what else I've written about what I think of the 'men' in it. If you're asking my views on Mosab Hassan Youseff, I have a lot of sympathy for him and recognise his trauma, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of his on an individual level; we disagree on some pretty big things.

I've assumed it's an autocorrect thing. Some Apple devices seem to autocorrect to that misspelling.

Of course it's a complicated situation, that's my point really.

In pure fantasy land, innocent Gazan civilians could have collaborated after 7 October to denounce the attacks and expose the terrorists behind it.

But considering the very complex reasons why they didn't (and I don't mean "all Gazans are terrorists" - more that it is hard to operate independently of Hamas, since they saturate civilian society), doesn't that explain why a "targeted/precise" approach to eliminate individuals, while protecting innocent civilians, is not at all as easy as it sounds?

The British government did negotiate with terrorists. The British government even colluded with terrorists to commit murder

Dulra Are you referring to the British Government and the IRA? If so this was on home territory (Ulster), not overseas. As far as I'm aware Britain has not 'colluded with terrorists (in other countries) to commit murder'.

So what you mean is, you are not going to call out the terrorists. You are not going to call out Hamas. That is interesting in itself, thank you for the confirmation of where you stand. But yes I take your point, Hamas do oppress the people, it might help if some of them would vote against Hamas, but can they do that? Do they have free and fair elections in Palestine?

Interesting that you claim to know people who ‘died for human rights in Palestine’ - but as you well know, they will never have human rights like you enjoy in the west, as long as Hamas exist. That’s yet another reason for you to protest against Hamas, but you don’t.

I am not surprised you disagree with Mosab Hassan Youseff. He explains his first hand experience in the video very well, and I am glad to share such information on here.

I suggest that if you really were concerned for peace in the area, you would be protesting against Hamas, because as long as Hamas exist with their agenda to eradicate the Jews, peace can not exist, as I think you well know.

It is an auto spell issue. however are you trying to insinuate a miss spelling of a countries name is some how antisemitic? Not everyone is great at spelling I get worse the longer I have been out of school, doesn't mean I'm antisemitic and if your trying to suggest it does that's outrageous.

I think I've made clear I support isreali action to defend itself but not its tactics. Rockets or no rockets my opinion remains the same.

So what should Israel's tactics be? How are they meant to realistically defend their land from Hamas? No one has come up with an answer except for 'ceasefire now' that applies to Israel but Hamas will only agree to one in order to regroup and rebuild their terrorist sites.

What would be legitimate action by Israel in your view? taking into account the extensive embedding of military capability by Hamas in Gaza in civilian infrastructure and the use of tunnels to protect military personnel, move arms around and smuggle people and arms in and out. I've been trying for months to find someone who could explain this. I have not been able to find anyone in print, online or in person to explain how Israel could legitimately have responded to 7 October.

@Mummy2024 Why would you equate the misspelling of Israel and Israeli with being anti-Semitic. I didn't mention Jews.

Same here. I've had posts deleting for asking, though, even though I have tried to word them carefully! the response is usually something along the lines about me being a heartless baby-murderer.

You've missed the point. Working for human rights in Palestine involves addressing the fact that Hamas have abused those human rights. It involves challenging the issues on the ground, sometimes receiving death threats, sometimes having weapons thrust in your face. And who do you think issues some of those threats? When you accuse me of supporting terrorists, you have no idea, no idea at all, what it is like to work and campaign for human rights and health in that place or others.

If you think I haven't 'called out' Hamas enough, then you haven't read very much of what I've written on the subject.

I disagree with Mosab Hassan Youseff on his overall assertions about Islam and his views on what should happen to Muslims. I have sympathy for his trauma, but I disagree with his application of his conclusions. I respect his courage and I hope he can in time heal from his trauma; I wish people had done more to help him.

I'll answer.
I admit, it's a rubbish answer though.
I don't know what I'd do if I was Israel.
It wouldn't be this though.
A ceasefire has proved to be, by far, the most successful tactic for getting hostages home though. And a very wise person once said, - you make peace with your enemies, not your friends. I think of Hamas, in a similar way to Islamic State, but however hard it is, it's not impossible to negotiate with them, as previous ceasefire and hostage release has shown.

This is just plain wrong. The British government did negotiate with terrorist.

You just said terrorists, which they have negotiated with. They have colluded with the UVF to commit murder.

Yes I doubt they've colluded with terrorists from other countries but they colluded with the UVF to murder in another country. But surely terrorists are terrorists not sure it matters whether they are from other countries or not.

You seem to have had a lot of posts deleted and you said yourself you'd so many deleted you were banned. You always claim innocence but you are clearly saying something that is causing offence or else your posts wouldn't be reported or deleted.

The IRA were terrorists and murdered many people and terrorised, kidnapped and tortured others. And the British government did negotiate with them . All that is true. The ANC in South Africa was also involved in violent acts of terrorism
However the October 7th attack was beyond any atrocity the IRA ( or UVF)or ANC were involved in .

The rapes, the torture and the kidnapping of civilians who were not involved ( ie not suspected of being informants etc) was beyond anything the IRA did ( and they were no angels)

I truly think that Hamas crossed a line on October 7th. I could never negotiate with someone who would kidnap babies and small children after raping and murdering their mother so I can’t really imagine the Israeli government would do that.