New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

I wasn't justifying Israel's conduct I was contributing to a discussion about historical accuraccy.

This again?

@mollyfolk @SharonEllis was not doing this - she was making it clear that accuracy is important.

By the way, you know very well that Israel is spelt Israel - not Isreal as so many posters are now using this spelling. I have my suspicions why.

I agree with you scrolling

Yes usually it’s a bit more low key but there

My spell checker changes Israel to Isreal if I make a typo in it - take it up with Apple! I have no issue with Israel’s existence if that is what you are getting at.

The poster she was responding to mentioned Modern war. I am assuming she means post Geneva convention warfare. Invoking the allies actions in WW2 has become part of the moral defence that the Israeli authorities are using to justify their war and that rhetoric is being repeated by posters on here.

@mollyfolk Interpretation of the Geneva Convention is going to be extremely difficult in these circumstances.

There's an interesting Reuters summary here, which explores some of the issues on both sides.

"The Geneva Conventions and subsequent rulings by international tribunals show that proportionality is not a numbers game where the toll of civilian casualties on one side can be compared to the other, rather such casualties should be proportionate to the direct and concrete military advantage expected from that specific attack."

OP, I cannot bare to watch these videos, it’s so awful.

I support Israel and the Jews in this 100%. I am genuinely very concerned at the pro terrorist protests, which is exactly what they are.

I am deeply concerned about people ignorantly supporting creeping fundamentalist fascism.

I do not personally know a single Jewish person, but if I did I would try to offer words of support, though I am not sure what I would say.

I will never support Labour. Keir cannot control the more radical MPs in his party. I fear some of them are trying to keep relatively quiet until election, but will quickly dispense with Keir once he has served his purpose in presenting the ‘moderate face of the left’. And look at that horrendous Green Party councillor, I am sure you know the one I mean.

I also want to thank you for your courage OP, in posting this. I actually don’t participate very much on social media, but I think it is important to counter the noise of the terrorist supporting mob. We must not let them control the narrative.

It's because they've been going on about it on this thread multiple times, as well as on other threads over several months. It's pretty clear that their intentions are not solely out of concern for the hostages but also to ensure no one ever forgets that it's actually all Israel's fault. All of it. If Israel had just listened, none of this would have happened. That's the implication. None of the responsibility is therefore on the murderous terrorists who murdered and terrorised because actually, it was all just a failure on Israel's side.

If it was just out of concern for the hostages, they wouldn't be posting this frequently. It's just hammering home a point, a point that people who care are already very well-aware of. Others who don't particularly care or weren't previously aware will have already read the posts about it on this very thread. It doesn't need repeating that often under the pretence of purely caring about the hostages.

I have no problem with the truth. I have a problem with what this poster is seemingly trying to imply by repeatedly saying the same thing over and over again. That's their only contribution to this topic - how it's all Israel's fault for not listening.

Thank YOU MrsAllsorts your post is most appreciated!
I do hope you're wrong about Labour pushing Starmer out after the election. The Party may have a long way to go both in its fight against antisemitism within its ranks and also on the subject of women's rights, but I can see no option other than to vote for them to oust the Tories.
I have had quite upsetting correspondence with my own Labour MP about Israel and Gaza to the extent she didn't respond to my last email (basically she had no answer to back up her argument!) and won't vote for her based upon that but she will no doubt retain her seat with an increased majority.
I will probably spoil my ballot paper 🤬

@MrsAllsorts accusing people of being terrorist supporters is actually quite a serious accusation to make. You say campaigns calling for an end to the killing of civilians are "pro-terrorist" - on what grounds?

If someone believes the actions of the Israeli government and IDF are wrong, how does that make someone "pro-terrorist"?

@ChickyBricky - we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. It is the ICC that have jurisdiction in respect of violations of international humanitarian law mentioned in the Geneva conventions and they wish to arrest Netanyahu and others for crimes against humanity.

Not quite. As I understand it a prosecutor has applied but the court is yet to decide whether to issue warrants. This is a useful explainer ftom a reliable organisation. .https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/05/icc-prosecutors-applications-arrest-warrants-explained

Yes, because supporting Hamas is supporting terrorists, no matter how you try and dress it up. I’ll have some respect when they start demanding an end to Hamas and their activities, including Hamas hiding behind human shields and Hamas killing innocent people.

Whilst these. protestors are at, they can start campaigning against Hamas religious fundamentalism and demand equal rights for women. Maybe they can also demand Hamas allow Palestinians the right to protest against them without risk to life.

Couldn't have put it better MrsAllsorts

I said modern day war.... the numbers are not fabricated.

Its a clear imbalance usn't. If you support Israel as a state and its right to defend its innocent civilians against a clear act of war you are unequivocally a supporter of the Netanyahu-lead regime, regardless of what you say (I know absolutely no Jews or supporters of Israel who support Netanyahu) no space for nuance. If you support the Hamas-lead war against Israel either from a 'resistance is justified' or 'regardless of how heinous 7 October was Israel has no right to respond' perspective you are absolutely not a Hamas supporter but merely a supporter of innocent Palestinians. And so little condemnation of Hamas and how they have brutalised Palestinians.

Can I just add that only being able to use a world war including multiple countries and a war that included a horrific genocide that ran into the millions, to get to the amount of innocent lives lost in this time frame proves My point entirely.

It isn't a terrible fact of war btw.... even wars have rules and the isrealli government need to use them.

You question why people seem to pay more attention to the plight of Palestinian people and it's a matter of scale. What's happening to those Israeli women is an absolute tragedy for them and their families, but it simply cannot be compared to 35,000+ civilians (mostly women and children) being killed by Israel in Gaza. That's why you see people marching in the streets. You also mention childbirth and pregnancy. Have you no care for the suffering of Palestinian mothers who have had to have caesareans without anesthetic, or watch their babies starve to death or die in incubators shut off by Israels blockade? Not to mention that even before Oct 7th, countless Palestinian women were forced to give birth at Israeli checkpoints because they wouldn't let them through to hospital, were raped by Israeli soldiers, or had their young child imprisoned for years without trial for the simple act of throwing stones in the street. Thousands upon thousands of women have suffered terribly at the hands of Israel since 1948 to almost complete silence from the rest of the world.

35000 civilians.

How do you know if they're Hamas or not?

35,000 killed according to Hamas are not all civilians. Many Hamas fighters will have also died also people who supported Hamas and their desire to wipe Israel off the map.

I expect your post will be reported and deleted ("But how can a baby be Hamas!"), but this is a key question, a bit like the difficulty US troops had in Vietnam differentiating "friend" from "foe." Apparently Israel is supposed to use its intelligence network to locate and individually destroy Hamas members, but that is surely a gross oversimplification of the task, a bit like picking a mushroom while leaving the mycelium underground. Hamas's entire modus operandi is to deeply infiltrate and control every aspect of civilian life.

@ChickyBricky Why would my post be reported and deleted?

It's a reasonable question and doesn't break talk guidelines in any way.

I know, but that's not how these forums work.

I've tried to explore the same issue, wording things as carefully as I could, and invariably got deleted. It's annoying, because after so many deletions your account is suspended. I think it might be the way we're silenced by those who don't want us discussing anything along these lines. The chosen narrative is that Israel is committing evil war crimes, and that's that. Like it or lump it, we are not allowed to suggest that the situation might be any more nuanced. This censorship has actually made me even more determined to stick up for Jewish people and Israel. I never expected to see this in my lifetime, a surge in antisemitism solemnly applauded and defended by those who claim to be antiracist.

@Februaryfeels Do you know that more than half of the population in Gaza is children?

You don't. International law is clear that in those circumstances it should be assumed they are civilians.
Assuming they are Hamas and acting accordingly is a war crime which is why the Israeli government are having so much trouble