New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

Yes, we get it. You've posted about this multiple times now on here and across various threads over several months. We get it. You blame Israel for everything. What a novel approach. Can you please stop trying to hammer home your point now? Please. It's been an awful enough night on here already, we don't need more of this now.

No.

These girls are at the very least owed

recognition of the whole truth of what they have been through. No one can deny them that.

This thread is supposed to be about them. This is about them. What happened to them is haunting.

That was a detailed Israeli newspaper article that most people would not have come across. Most people will just see the video and have no idea.

These were young women doing a difficult job very, very well. They are Israeli heroes. They are not to be remembered just as Hamas victims.

As I said, you've already shared 'the whole truth' multiple times on this thread, not to mention across several other threads over the last few months. We get that you put the blame on Israel. We got it several posts ago. Your point has been made. You can stop it now.

No they are blaming the isreali government, not the country or its people. I hate when the whole nation is lumped In with government decisions. The country and the nation are not responsible for this atrocitie or the current famine atrocities. Hamas are responsible for the murder and the blood shed and the government are responsible for not preventing it and for not doing enough to preserve innocent Palestinian civilian lives.

No one is defending hamas.... however 15000 children who have so far lost their lives and countless others starving are not terrorists. Their lives are not fair gain to win the war, wouldn't you agree?

More Palestinian lives have been lost in 6 months than in any modern day war. You don't need to be left or right to know that's about as wrong as it gets. Anyone who thinks it's OK needs to do some soul searching, may I add politicising this horrendous atrocities and subsequent war is In poor taste also and only fuels the fire.

Do real people actually think this way or is it all just organized social media manipulation?

Maybe you have misunderstood. This is a thread about the Israeli hostages. The Israeli government is far from perfect but it seems odd to come on to this particular thread to criticise them. It comes across as if you are blaming Israel for something Hamas has done.

Why do people do that?

I’m saddened if that comes as such a shock to you, that someone (and actually the overwhelming majority of people in the UK) will not discriminate on your religion whatsoever, but will if you hold a facist/xenophopic/racist/zionist attitude or views.

wowzers, you’ve just equated Zionist views with fascist, xenophobic, and racist views?!

you know Zionism literally is the belief that there should be a homeland for the Jewish people in our ancestral land of Israel. That’s not at the exclusion of other people living there too?

I say this without respect: fuck off

There isn’t , there’s about two of us on here, that I know of. And someone a bit bonkers who popped up a few months ago briefly, but I’m not convinced was genuine.

your post was very clear, it took some very deliberate misinterpreting to get to what they claimed you said. Ugh.

Sorry just to factually correct, WW2 saw roughly 30-40k lives lost A DAY

At the peak of the Holocaust 14k Jewish lives alone were taken A DAY.

No loss of life is ‘ok’. But loss of life is a terrible fact of war, and even the ‘facts’ are up for abuse by Hamas as these numbers are wildly misrepresented and then people happily believe whatever propaganda they’re fed like your ‘fact’ above.

i don’t mean to be churlish; I think any loss of innocent Palestinian life is horrific and too much. But there’s no need to repeat fake propaganda, look to reliable sources for the facts.

I can ‘assure’ you that nothing you’ve written assured me. You’re a monster. I desperately hope you don’t have daughters.

Video showing bloodied Israeli female soldiers captured by Hamas released | World News | Sky News

Is the the video you are referring to OP?
Awful. Also women in Israel have to do military service for any minimising this as them being soldiers.
The video above is different to what you describe in your original post though.
Please confirm.

Around 25,000 people died in Dresden alone in just 3 days. And that's the lower estimate. Wars are horrific. All of them.
And it was recently widely reported ( though not exactly headlined) that the numbers in Gaza had been exaggerated after all.

I’m not going to re watch the video; for obvious reasons. What in my description are you querying?

The extent - the sheer mental gymnastics - that antisemites will go to to discredit, to deny, to belittle Jewish suffering.

I used to wonder how the Holocaust could happen, and then be denied.

Now I know.

I wish it had remained unknowable.

You misunderstand. The report wasn't that numbers had been exaggerated, but that a new way of counting those not yet identified has been implemented.

It changed from 35,000 to 24,686 dead not because approx 10,000 additional people didnt die, but because their bodies haven't been formally identified. So if you've got the body of a small child, it's not included in the 24,686 until it's got an age, name etc. They are still dead.

Using this to claim that death rates have been exaggerated is disgusting and genocide denial.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed

Are combatant fatalities counted separately or included with civilians?

The Gaza ministry of health don’t distinguish. Netanyahu has claimed that 50% of the dead are combatants.

What the actual fuck have I just read

Haven't read @ScrollingLeaves other posts but don't understand the problem people have with this one. Those women do deserve to have their whole lives talked about, they are much more than just Hamas victims. I believe these women tried to raise the alarm, but weren't listened to. The are Israeli heroes. As for disputing whether they have been raped or not, even if they weren't raped on 7/10 I would be amazed if they haven't been raped multiple times since. In fact I think the only thing that might have protected them from rape is death, and even that might not have protected them. With regard the Palestinians killed, we don't have a limited supply of compassion, we can feel for both, it's all wrong, the whole lot of it.
I googled these girls, it's tragic and unimaginable what might be happening to them right now. Right now, while I'm sat here drinking coffee, they could be being tortured, that's if they not already dead. If that doesn't haunt people, it should, it should haunt them every bit as much as little Hind, who must have been killed terrified, after seeing her family killed.
It's all wrong, all of it. And shame on anyone who only cares for 'their' side.

Trying to justify Isreal’s conduct by comparing it to the devastation that occurred in WW2 is a dangerous path to do down. This is before the Geneva conventions were agreed. The international rules of war protect all of us. It matters when they are broken - we should never be desensitised to death like this.

Yes. That's why I'm not reporting it: it perfectly captures what we're up against. I'm not Jewish, but Delphinium's dismissive contempt is discreetly woven into so many of the threads on MN that I've turned into a bit of a keyboard warrior against it (sometimes clumsy in my zeal). It's helpful to see it spelt out so clearly.

Good point ChickyBricky