Thank you to Ireland, Norway and Spain

[Scirocco]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

At a time when justice, empathy and integrity seem to be in short supply, a little light in the darkness.

Link to the BBC Live page covering statements announcing that the countries will recognise a Palestinian state on 28th May.

And, importantly, the entire Irish population were not regarded as terrorists. Most just wanted peace.

There is a difference between Hamas and the Palestinian people.

The statements from all three countries clearly condemn Hamas and their barbaric attack (for the umpteenth time) but the response from Israel is predictably irrational. The constant gaslighting is very frustrating.

Apparently Israel wants to summon the three ambassadors to watch a video relating to October 7th - why? All three have already strongly condemned it.

Given that Israel have withdrawn their own ambassadors, I sincerely hope ours won't submit themselves this ridiculously disrespectful treatment.

Obviously move as you wish but Ireland still has similar issues outside political declarations

@Dulra

"Considering every political party supports it how is it meant to win anyone any votes? We have enough domestic issues to occupy us with and influence who how we vote for. Most voters aren't as naïve as that"

Actually I do think it will gain them extra votes (witness Starmer losing Muslim votes for not taking enough of a pro Palestinian position) and sadly I do think most voters are that naive.

I mean if you can get 17 million voters to back Brexit based on a pack of lies then anything is possible.

Whatever the technicalities, this is sending a very welcome message to the poor souls in Gaza, and a fuck you to the US, UK and Netanyahu governments.

Yes but from independence until the Good Friday Agreement the Irish state claimed sovereignty over the territory of Northern Ireland. It was a contested territory.
After the Good Friday Agreement the Irish people voted for an amendment to the Irish constitution making the claim over the 6 counties aspirational by consent rather than stating that the entire Island of Ireland was part of the country.

Please don’t feel that everyone in Ireland supports this. It is difficult in this day and age to go against the grain in Ireland, we are as ever, a nation who follow the herd. But as you can see on this thread, not all of us do. I hope you get support from friends in your life and if you do not, know that there are people out there who support you.

@Scirocco
I don't disagree with you but most of the world already recognises Palestine as a state. Earlier this month, 143 of the 193 members of the United Nations General Assembly voted in favour of Palestine joining the UN - something only states can do.

I really don't see what this announcement by Ireland, Spain and Norway achieves.

I’d say the actions wrt Gaza and Israel can have a big impact in domestic politics

The US is seeing struggles on how to deal with it atm

Political commentators are talking about the influence at the Presidential elections

I don’t think pp meant to be insulting, it’s more just a political reality

This seems to counter my information -

"With the passing of the Government of Ireland Act by Westminster on 23 December 1920, the island would be partitioned, with new governments to be formed in Dublin and Belfast to oversee two new jurisdictions."

However, there were no arguments about where the borders of these two entities should be.

Well the last time our government did ask our opinion, in the recent referendums, it was quite clear they had no idea what people really thought - as they were completely out of touch with the general public.

It's no secret that the Irish public are overwhelming in support of Palestine. You may not like it but that is the reality.
Where are you getting this from? If it's just the mainstream media then they don't represent the views of many people here.

If you don't see it then maybe you should te read the entire thread, and if you still can't see then maybe this isn't the thread for you

But the US and UK also support a two state solution and as per @Scirocco post you can't have a two state solution without there being two states.

I really don't see what this announcement achieves in reality.

Re read

Irish people will never support occupation and the killing of innocent civilians, it's as simple as that. Regardless of religion.

We are not against the Jewish people, we are against the actions of the Israeli government and supportive of the people who are being subjugated, starved and run out of their homes.

In fairness its well known Ireland is a Pro Palestinian country, has been for years, even Israel knows it, not just coming from mainstream media either, it's a fact

You haven't seen the polling then?

https://theweek.com/politics/ireland-most-pro-palestinian-countries

Almost 80% support Palestine.

It's quite obvious to anyone living here and having discussions with friends, family and colleagues that this rings true.

Actually I do think it will gain them extra votes
Well the party that brought the motion to the Dáil initially in 2014 was Sinn Fein and there losing points in the polls.

Who will win votes? which of the parties? considering they all support it. I will say again it is insulting to suggest this is only being done to win votes

I mean if you can get 17 million voters to back Brexit based on a pack of lies then anything is possible.
I think the Irish electorate is a lot more engaged politically then many UK voters tbh

@Sakura7 Irish people will never support occupation and the killing of innocent civilians,

Really?

It seems there was a lot of support for the IRA at the time of "The Troubles"

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland-played-integral-role-in-supporting-ira-says-historian-988519

What a waste of time. There never has been, is not and never will be a country called 'Palestine'.

Can you say why you think that?

Ie What are the blocks to it happening

Yeah you're right we are all terrorist supporter over here 🙄

If it doesn't achieve anything, I assume you have no issues with the UK following...

What will it be called then?

Ok, so I guess the lovely Irish people I heard chanting 'From the River to the sea, Palestine will be free' had NO idea that that refers to making the entire Israel judenrein. Presumably via methods practiced on October 7.

Or less bloodthirsty, Jews should all go back to the countries we came from.

Like Iran. where this can happen. https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-iranian-sentenced-to-death-for-murder-receives-last-minute-stay-of-execution/

We don't actually have anywhere to go. Unlike real colonisers who always have a home country to return to, Israel IS our home country.

The majority of the Irish public did not support IRA violence. There were large peace marches here after the Warrington bombing that killed two children.

Do you think we deserved to be bombed and run out of our homes because of the IRA?

Conveniently you don't mention the collusion between the British state and loyalist paramilitaries.

You're clearly completely ignorant of our country, its history and its culture.