Thank you to Ireland, Norway and Spain

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

At a time when justice, empathy and integrity seem to be in short supply, a little light in the darkness.

Link to the BBC Live page covering statements announcing that the countries will recognise a Palestinian state on 28th May.

I don’t agree Israeli support for a two state solution was higher than Palestinian support, if you are referring to the public attitudes. The Israelis activists pushing for a Palestinian state have always been a small, fringe minority within Israel. None of Israel’s political leadership have favoured a two state solution since 1995 after the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, the last PM in favour of it, by a far right Jewish radical. One Knesset member did and he has been tossed out of Knesset for saying so.

The Israeli government and public resistance to a two state solution is justified by security concerns, with other additional unspoken concerns like not wanting to relinquish all the illegally seized land and displace close to a million illegal settlers.

The Palestinian Authority wants a two state solution, but Hamas do not. Most Palestinians want a two state solution, but currently see the PA peaceful way as a huge failure after almost 30yrs of nothing but worse and worse oppression and persecution under the occupation. The PA broke away from the PLO who had tried a two state solution under Oslo, but were badly let down by Israel not upholding their end of the deal. The PLO wanted to go back to terrorism, the PA were the Fatah moderates who wanted to keep trying peaceful cooperation. So, over time, the harsher Israel got, the more support grew for Hamas- I’m talking about the repeated military attacks on Gaza since 2001. Many now see armed resistance as the last resort. Interestingly, many think the reports of war crimes by Hamas are either propagandist lies or think it’s fair given the war crimes done to them by IDF. As in you fight fire with fire, safe to say Isrsel feels the same way and twenty years down the road everyone is being repeatedly burned. A similar number of Israelis are convinced reports of IDF war crimes are propaganda and they truly are the most moral army in the world.

As for who thinks they should have it all, that is clearly present within the Israeli far right government comments on ethnically cleansing Gaza, resettling Gaza, the increased seizure of private Palestinian lands. All you have to do is look at the recent history and changes to the landscape and maps to see who is in the process of taking it all.

Hamas also thinks they should have it all, but they currently have zero of it really, it is all under Israeli military occupation and martial law. There is no international support for Hamas governing any part of a nascent Palestinian state, so I’m not too worried that they’d end up in power.

There will need to be give and take to get to a fair division.

So who is illegally building settlements on Palestinian land for years if not Israel? 🤔

Both sets of people are indigenous. But unfortunately have very different ideas about how they would like to live.

It's more like a situation where the Norseman invasions in the 9th century resulted in a very different Viking culture in the Danelaw for a few hundred years. If our cultures hadn't merged in the last 1000 years (partly through conquest) - or if their conquest had been so complete that we ended up moving to France for a few hundred years - we might have ended up with conflict.

I like to think that in the same way as we had a referendum for Scottish people to choose whether to become an independent state, we could have decided to form 2 separate states within the territory which is currently the UK.

If those Vikings had continued to raid and kill us, and claimed London for themselves just because they built some more buildings there (despite it having been our capital well before they landed) then we might have more of a problem.

Is this a real question? Jesus was a Jew living in Judea, which was then under occupation by the Romans. The same Romans who then called the land Palestine.

Yes it is a real question. Jesus was an ethnic Palestinian Jew.

Thank you to to Ireland, Norway and Spain for playing into the hands of Hamas.
Foolish and misguided leadership.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-13446993/Hamas-gloats-Ireland-Norway-Spain-recognise-Palestinian-state.html

Not this again.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-779313

That’s an OPINION based on the Bible. The Bible is not known for complete historical accuracy.

Thanks for this. Good to see it’s been addressed

He was Judean and spoke Aramaic, a Galilean dialect

In those days the area, (which was much smaller than today) was divided into 2 areas-

Galilee - ruled by one of the Herods in the north by the Sea of galilee

Judah, bordering the Dead Sea on the SE and Samaria, to the bordering the Jordan River. These two regions were a Roman Protectorate.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, which was then in Judea.

Most of us in Ireland don't really give a shit what the Daily Mail thinks.

Our Taoiseach was very clear this morning in condemning Hamas, saying they have nothing to offer.

This has been done to support the Palestinian people, not Hamas. If others choose to twist and misinterpret a very clear statement, they are simply pushing their own agenda.

@ConnieCounter How can we stop Israel voting in these genocidal maniacs going forward?

I hope you aren't suggesting vote - rigging ?

How the Israeli people vote is their business.

How will this support the people who live in the Gaza strip?

Effective support would be helping them rid their country of the people who want to destroy Israel so there is more chance of Israel establishing a two state solution. Then they would have a state.

About time and Jerusalem as the capital

Waiting for the UK and the US

Have you polled most of the people in Ireland to see if they do not not give a shit?

So that is most of the 5 odd million for you to ask.

What? Jesus didn't turn water into wine!!!!!

Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea.

The account of Tacitus (Roman Historian) proves that Quirinius was governing militarily in the area of Syria well before becoming the civilian governor of Syria and taking a second census of Judea in 6 A.D. as recorded by the Jewish historian Josephus.
This is why Mary and Joseph had to travel to the town of their birth to be registered on a census.

So it seems the date was a bit out, but not the fact He was born there.

Oh nooooooo. What - he couldn't walk on water?

Please,you don't know anything about Spanish politics and Pedro Sanchez (Spanish prime minister) if you think he's not doing this for his onw benefit.

Gonna be a long wait....

Hmmm - never?

They can fuck off. Ireland fully supported the establishment of the state of Israel when they were fighting the British out of Mandate Palestine. We don't owe them.

Effective support would be helping them rid their country of the people who want to destroy Israel so there is more chance of Israel establishing a two state solution

It's always about Israel! A two state solution was not supported long before Hamas. How do you suggest we help Palestinians remove Hamas? By force? Doesn't work.
Maybe giving them realistic alternatives, supporting them to build an independent state free from oppression. Recognising the state of Palestine can be the beginning of that process. Supporting them to get rid of the gun in politics and govern through peaceful means without corruption, intimidation and violence.

The Daily Mail? Surely no one with half a brain British or Irish reads this rag?

Respond for Spain so, I was talking about Ireland